Why does Gaga like shading competition?

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37 minutes ago, Sycamore said:

I don't understand a single thing. 

Let me start off..  

1. The "THATS WHAT YOU GET FOR NOT TOUCHING GLOVES" is not shade. Touching gloves in sport is a sign of respect, and she disrespected her opponent, thus making Gaga disrespect her. 

2. The feud with Die Antwoord sparked after Die Antwoord made that video in which they disrespected Gaga, after she asked them to be her opening act. 

3. What is up with the Xtina tweet? She's just saying that she returned to her old ways. 

4. Madonna shaded Gaga often enough to let Gaga shade her for once and she is not wrong. 

5. The Katy Perry tweet and Nicki Minaj shade are an insult to artistic originality. 

6. Gaga defended Miley Cyrus often enough. 

I know that this thread is supposed to be an allusion to the "Why does Katy Perry like to shade people?" thread, but this is ridiculous. 

This. 

And Gaga was only being honest when she said she didn't think Perry has kissed a girl. You guys have to remember that Gaga is old school, she's rock and roll. When I Kissed a Girl came out it was so cringey because it was such a pathetic attempt at being raunchy and controversial. Gaga actually kissed girls in her music videos because she's actually bisexual and wanted to support the natural and normal nature of the LGBT community. Gaga has never used the gay community, she has sang about them to support liberate them. Born This Way saved LGBT lives. She screamed the lyrics onstage in Russia and crucaded the message of tolerance and equality. To say she's used them is such a disgraceful insult. 

[Killa 17,460]

4 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Oh please And even if that were true, that is a rotten filthy lie 'cause Madonna was extremely nice and supportive towards her before 2012. They invited each other to private parties, they collaborated on SNL, Gaga met her personally and met her daughter, they both complimented each other constantly.

If all that suddenly means nothing to her anymore 'cause Madonna felt like one song was a rip-off (and even then Madonna kept expressing how that wasn't a big deal, she said on her own tour she loved Gaga and hoped she could get her to perform on tour with her) then Gaga is the hypocrite, not her.

The next question of the interview was: "So do you think Madonna has no soul?" and Gaga answered: "You said it, not me." Shade.

It's in the OP tho lol. She called her out for stealing the Dope teeth, even though Miley was referencing southern American culture, not drug addiction. Plus, there's the not-really-shady but still surprisingly hypocritical comment during the Andy Cohen interview where Gaga first defended Miley for her infamous VMA performance and then said people needed to stop twerking.

I don't really see it as a commentary about Miley. That word was and still is very present.Don't think there's much shade there. It's more a commentary about a cultural and social phenomenon. Though it's blury.

 

[Bradley 59,023]

6 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Oh please And even if that were true, that is a rotten filthy lie 'cause Madonna was extremely nice and supportive towards her before 2012. They invited each other to private parties, they collaborated on SNL, Gaga met her personally and met her daughter, they both complimented each other constantly.

If all that suddenly means nothing to her anymore 'cause Madonna felt like one song was a rip-off (and even then Madonna kept expressing how that wasn't a big deal, she said on her own tour she loved Gaga and hoped she could get her to perform on tour with her) then Gaga is the hypocrite, not her.

The next question of the interview was: "So do you think Madonna has no soul?" and Gaga answered: "You said it, not me." Shade.

It's in the OP tho lol. She called her out for stealing the Dope teeth, even though Miley was referencing southern American culture, not drug addiction. Plus, there's the not-really-shady but still surprisingly hypocritical comment during the Andy Cohen interview where Gaga first defended Miley for her infamous VMA performance and then said people needed to stop twerking.

Tell me, why did you think Madonna performed She's Not Me right after Born This Way?

'this isn't a big deal'

About Dope and Miley's photoshoot, yeah I think Gaga could be overreacting. Miley probably wasn't channelling her. What was the question they asked Gaga about twerking again? I think she was reacting more to twerking itself than Miley.

[crisTEAne 21,059]

1 minute ago, Didymus said:

Helping out your fans is different from making questionable statements about them. I have absolutely no criticism about her humanitarian work, but that's not what I'm referring to, neither was Katy.

which statements are questionable? i think they are beautiful and honest.

"THERE WILL NEVER BE A POP SINGER THAT LOVES YOU MORE THAN I DO!"

"i wanna liberate then, i wanna free them of their fears and make them feel that they can create their own space in the world"

"my fans mean more to me than anything"

"i would like to say: i have the best fans in the whole world"

"we identify with one another: i see myself in them and they see themselves in me"

"i call them little monsters because they're my inspiration"

"i just wanna . . . show my fans all the love i can show them"

"i wanna create a space for my fans where they can feel free and they can celebrate"

"i like to create this atmosphere for my fans where the feel like they have a freak in me to hang out with"

"remind yourself that you are the most valuable thing that you have"

"i would like to say to all my little monsters, who i love so much, that i cannot imagine my life without you, nor can i imagine my future without you, and sometimes i even question how i survived without you"

"tonight, little monsters, we are the cool kids"

"it's always wrong to hate, but it's never wrong to love"

"you have made me brave, so i promised myself that now i'm gonna be brave for you"

"you just remember that you're a superstar and you were born that way"

"i cannot be destroyed and i will not be destroyed and you will never destroy the kingdom that is my fans"

"there's a kid at home somewhere that needs a friend and needs someone to look up to"

"i wish i could give that gift to all my fans that you have the freedom to pull the superstar out of yourself that you were born to be"

"i very simply love my fans and i'll simply be there for them when they need me, because i know they will be there for me, too"

"they make me feel strong every day, they are the blood in my veins now"

"it's not about being a winner for me anymore . . . it's about being a winner for all of them"

"i'm fighting for every kid that's like me, that felt like i felt, that feels like i still feel"

"you will never have a pop singer that loves you more than i do, i tell you that right now"

"tonight, we're gonna be super free, little monsters"

"the best thing about the monster ball is that i created it, so that my fans will have a place to go"

"when you leave here tonight know that at least one person believes in you"

"i put love into my fans and they put love into me; they protect me, so it's now my destiny to protect them"

"i'm more interested in helping my fans to love who they are"

"i look out into the audience and it's like looking into tiny mirrors . . . they all remind me of myself"

"i really feel so blessed every day, i can't believe the amazing fans i have, i'm so lucky"

"if i could for a moment just inspire you to love yourself, that would be worth everything"

"i aspire to be a teacher to my young fans who feel just like i felt when i was younger"

"i'm now inspired to make music that will make you love you"

"if you're like: 'nobody is listening!' i'm ****ing listening! i hear you screaming; i hear all the things you say"

"'cause what we have is forever!"

"being okay with being alone, because i have my fans; they are my home just for the day"

"i do it now for my love for the fans, for the relationship that we have"

"i really understand them, i know they really understand me; it's really a friendship"

"trust yourself! be inspired by you! love you!"

"i have an insatiable need to make you happy; i live for hearing my fans scream because they're just happy to see me"

"i will live and die and breathe my work and my art to protect your dreams because you protect mine"

"no matter whatever happens in your life, i'll always ****ing be there to catch you"

"'CAUSE WHAT WE HAVE IS FOREVER!"

[Gardevoir 9,822]

14 minutes ago, Didymus said:

"I would die for my fans" (2012)

vs.

"I didn't get into this business to take selfies with strangers" (2016)

Hey but she was probably talking about strangers that only want to encounter her to take a picture with her. That's the whole purpose of her interview back then. That she feels that everything right now is pretty much driven by social media and desire of being recognized, desire of likes and whatsoever, that these people don't really care about the artists, just about their appearance and photos. 

[Didymus 34,379]

Just now, Tom Hardy said:

Tell me, why did you think Madonna performed She's Not Me right after Born This Way?

'this isn't a big deal'

To make headlines lol

Plus, it actually fit into her show storyline. That section was about ambition, materialism and egoism. Plus, side bonus, Madonna also referenced the song she was called out for copying in 1989, "Respect Yourself". So it was artistically in place, it was a sharp comment about something her fans had been waiting for her to speak out about, and it caused headlines. Simple as that. Gaga and her fans didn't have to turn it into World War III at all, especially since Madge in that reductive interview said Gaga was not copying her and they were two completely different artists.

2 minutes ago, Tom Hardy said:

About Dope and Miley's photoshoot, yeah I think Gaga could be overreacting. Miley probably wasn't channelling her. What was the question they asked Gaga about twerking again? I think she was reacting more to twerking itself than Miley.

She was, but like I said: this thread is not an accurate analysis of her throwing shade, just like the other thread wasn't.

But anyway, there is a level of (normal) hypocrisy present when first she defended Miley by saying everyone should just tune out what they didn't like instead of going on and on about hating something, and then denouncing twerking a minute later. But that's not a big deal. For me personally, only the Ronda post was a big deal.

[Bear 7,515]

I don't know why, though it's not often that she does it. It wouldn't be as bad if it wasn't for the constant change in stances she keeps having, particularly the online kindness era   

I guess it's just human nature. People make mistakes and change their beliefs, but the difference with Gaga is that you're constantly under the spotlight for people to notice them. 

[Didymus 34,379]

2 minutes ago, Emigrante said:

Hey but she was probably talking about strangers that only want to encounter her to take a picture with her. That's the whole purpose of her interview back then. That she feels that everything right now is pretty much driven by social media and desire of being recognized, desire of likes and whatsoever, that these people don't really care about the artists, just about their appearance and photos. 

So? Many of the people dying to get her picture taken are part of those people. Remember the Instagram post with the Sartre quote.

[Rino 5,120]

1 minute ago, Prismatic said:

Madonna was advocating all of those things before it was cool or hip, so I don't need to get into her head to know she's honest about it. 

you missed the point. I wanted to understand why you think that Madonna cares about gays more than Gaga  only because she started doing it earlier than her? so every person that stood up for LGBT community after her should be comsidered less caring? 

6 minutes ago, Prismatic said:

I'm sure she must be crying over the millions of dollars from BTW album and tour.

yet again, you failed to get the point. if Gaga back then released something more GP-friendly instead of Born This Way, she could have possibly sold even more. she was so popular and "cool" all over the world in 2010 - early 2011, that everything she would release inevitably became a success. 

if she really was as shallow as to use a people to get more cash, she would have released a song that had pleased every person in the world. 

12 minutes ago, Prismatic said:

Katy's song has no meaning yet cancer patients use it and I remember a little girl was saying how Roar inspired her to keep fighting even after everything was destroyed in a fire. 

it's possible to get inspired and empowered even by the simplest means of entertainment, I know it, no need to remind me that. 

[Didymus 34,379]

3 minutes ago, skeleton.gun said:

which statements are questionable? i think they are beautiful and honest.

...

"no matter whatever happens in your life, i'll always ****ing be there to catch you"

That one for instance. No you won't be there so shut the **** up.

It's a see-through way to capitalize on a designed relationship that can only manifest itself through fans buying Gaga-related products. I find that ugly, even if it comes from a genuine place. She's smart enough to know that she's selling a relationship and not entering in one.

But I won't deny that has helped many fans though, no doubt about that.

[Bradley 59,023]

Just now, Didymus said:

To make headlines lol

Plus, it actually fit into her show storyline. That section was about ambition, materialism and egoism. Plus, side bonus, Madonna also referenced the song she was called out for copying in 1989, "Respect Yourself". So it was artistically in place, it was a sharp comment about something her fans had been waiting for her to speak out about, and it caused headlines. Simple as that. Gaga and her fans didn't have to turn it into World War III at all, especially since Madge in that reductive interview said Gaga was not copying her and they were two completely different artists.

To make headlines? Maybe. Was that shade? Yes. Just because fans want you to shade Lady Gaga doesn't mean you have to do it. If you think that's a valid defence, there's nothing wrong with wanting Gaga to shade Madonna too. (I still don't think the 'helping younger artists' statement is a shade, I genuinely think it's an expression of disappointment and disapproval)

Let's not pretend this is Gaga's reaction after knowing Madonna placed those two songs together on her setlist.

"I'm sure she just wants to make headlines, it also fits the theme of that segment of her tour. She probably wasn't shading me. Everything's good!"

[Bradley 59,023]

5 minutes ago, Didymus said:

She was, but like I said: this thread is not an accurate analysis of her throwing shade, just like the other thread wasn't.

But anyway, there is a level of (normal) hypocrisy present when first she defended Miley by saying everyone should just tune out what they didn't like instead of going on and on about hating something, and then denouncing twerking a minute later. But that's not a big deal. For me personally, only the Ronda post was a big deal.

Let's be honest, Gaga probably didn't like Miley's performance at all. She probably denounces the act of twerking too.

We're calling her out for her hypocrisy.

Ask yourself, if you were in Gaga's position, if you were a singer, are you going to just offend every artist out there for the sake of honesty? They have to strike a balance between honesty and respect.

[Prismatic 4,789]

1 minute ago, Rino said:

you missed the point. I wanted to understand why you think that Madonna cares about gays more than Gaga  only because she started doing it earlier than her? so every person that stood up for LGBT community after her should be comsidered less caring? 

yet again, you failed to get the point. if Gaga back then released something more GP-friendly instead of Born This Way, she could have possibly sold even more. she was so popular and "cool" all over the world in 2010 - early 2011, that everything she would release inevitably became a success. 

if she really was as shallow as to use a people to get more cash, she would have released a song that had pleased every person in the world. 

it's possible to get inspired and empowered even by the simplest means of entertainment, I know it, no need to remind me that. 

I said it before and I will say it again, she did it in a time period which is shameful to stand up for gays. She RISK her career fighting for what she belives in. A lot of people already hate her for her "crazy" acts, but she don't care and continue doing her and promoting what she think is right and not a current trend. 

Because she wanted to be cool and edgy by doing something different. But it backfired with all the drag and shade from the geepee.

Why do you act like my opninion about BTW haven't changed and still holding my old opinion like I've robbed a bank or something.

"basic song with little to no meaning that masses would have eaten up very quickly" make up your mind. 

[Didymus 34,379]

Just now, Tom Hardy said:

To make headlines? Maybe. Was that shade? Yes. Just because fans want you to shade Lady Gaga doesn't mean you have to do it. If you think that's a valid defence, there's nothing wrong with wanting Gaga to shade Madonna too. (I still don't think the 'helping younger artists' statement is a shade, I genuinely think it's an expression of disappointment and disapproval)

Let's not pretend this is Gaga's reaction after knowing Madonna placed those two songs together on her setlist.

"I'm sure she just wants to make headlines, it also fits the theme of that segment of her tour. She probably wasn't shading me. Everything's good!"

I don't even know what you're talking about now.

I've already said 10x I don't care about any of these examples (excl. the Ronda one). Madonna dissed Gaga with the reductive thing, absolutely, but she also said in the same interview that Gaga was not copying her act and that many times she thought her references (which are undeniable) were well done. The media blew up her reductive comment and Madge just built on the controversy. Do I think that's ok? Meh, don't really care, I was just happy the shade was imbedded in an artistic show concept and Madge implicitly expressed that those emotions of egoism and hatred are vain at best and obstacles toward freedom at worst. If nobody got that that's their own fault.

If Gaga was talking about herself with the "younger artists" comment then she should've clarified that. It came across as very different to anyone who isn't gonna try to translate it into something non-offensive.

I'm not defending anyone, for the last goddamn time. I just wanted to make a point, the end.

[crisTEAne 21,059]

1 minute ago, Didymus said:

That one for instance. No you won't be there so shut the **** up.

It's a see-through way to capitalize on a designed relationship that can only manifest itself through fans buying Gaga-related products. I find that ugly, even if it comes from a genuine place. She's smart enough to know that she's selling a relationship and not entering in one.

But I won't deny that has helped many fans though, no doubt about that.

well, now you're just being rude. i think my initial point still holds: you're just projecting your own capitalist, "realistic" view on something that you're unable to relate to and, thus, find it dishonest. let me assure you, for many, it is very real. as i see it, it is also real for gagz.

i guess there's no point in continuing this because it's bound to turn into something personal and, i think you'll agree, we insulted one another quite a few times in the past. there's no need to relive that all over again.