Q: "Why does everyone care about sales."

[The Child 18,997]

3 minutes ago, Drunk Poet said:

No she didn't try to please the GP, how the hell can you say that? 

And you're actually making me laugh. She obviously meant hit in terms of musical and artistic merit. Not crappy and untrustworthy charts. 

Gosh you're insufferable. 

Lmao yeah she said hits as in terms of bla bla lmao you guys are the funniest, she meant hit as a song that will be a hit, so a song that'll chart. Duh. 

[XoXoJoanneGaga 629]

1 hour ago, jylee said:

Cause the more money she brings in, the higher her budget for subsequent albums and tours will be (dunno how true, but it makes sense). It also feels good to be stanning for an irrefutable queen 

This isn't really a factor. Most of the best-produced music is done by independent artists with a tiny fraction of the budget. Not to mention The Fame had the greatest production values of any Gaga album and it was made when she was an unknown. 

Similarly The Monster Ball was originally self funded and that was before she was worth ~200m. Someone like her will never not have all the resources necessary to deliver on those fronts.

[giskardsb 12,565]

21 minutes ago, SlaeUrAnus said:

Everyone knows Gaga said that to cover ARTPOP's disappointing sales.

LOL... it's in the ARTPOP lyrics.  

[HighlandHeart 993]

1 minute ago, CrazyMonster said:

Lmao yeah she said hits as in terms of bla bla lmao you guys are the funniest, she meant hit as a song that will be a hit, so a song that'll chart. Duh. 

You're ridiculous and deluded, completely manipulated and swayed by what the labels and money-makers want you to believe. You clearly don't understand Gaga at all. And you clearly didn't watch this. 

She does not give a **** about charts. She meant hit record as in GOOD not as in POPULAR. She hates that charts chew up her music and spit it out, not because her music is bad, but because it's not the way music should be received by people. She warns everyone in this video to not be a sell-out to this business. Honestly, I can't even with you right now. 

[Ronk 14,762]

There are three reasons:  Some fans want to brag about Gaga's accomplishments and need ammunition for the stan wars.  Gaga, btw, is against stan wars.

Another reason is that fans think Gaga will be happier with high sales.  Any artist is happy to have success, including sales, awards, and critical acclaim.  But Gaga doesn't fit into the industry's mold.  To Gaga, other things are probably more important than sales.  She cares deeply about her art, vision, and creativity.  And probably she cares the most about the social issues.  One quote from her:  "If I could, for a moment, just inspire you to love yourself – that would be worth everything."

And of course, there is the argument that more sales allows bigger, more elaborate tours.  I don't know the metrics of that or how much Gaga concerns herself with it.

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

6 minutes ago, Ronk said:

There are three reasons:  Some fans want to brag about Gaga's accomplishments and need ammunition for the stan wars.  Gaga, btw, is against stan wars.

Another reason is that fans think Gaga will be happier with high sales.  Any artist is happy to have success, including sales, awards, and critical acclaim.  But Gaga doesn't fit into the industry's mold.  To Gaga, other things are probably more important than sales.  She cares deeply about her art, vision, and creativity.  And probably she cares the most about the social issues.  One quote from her:  "If I could, for a moment, just inspire you to love yourself – that would be worth everything."

And of course, there is the argument that more sales allows bigger, more elaborate tours.  I don't know the metrics of that or how much Gaga concerns herself with it.

You sound like you went into this discussion with a mind set on thinking wishing for good sales is an absolute bad or useless thing.

On the bolded part: although that is true. It still affected her negatively. To deny that is naive. Why do you think she felt the need to rebrand herself?

If truly the only thing she cared about is artistry, she wouldn't even try to tone down her acts and try to win the GP back. She will just keep doing what she used to regardless of the critics' and the GP's perception on her.

[XoXoJoanneGaga 629]

1 hour ago, A Gaga Lad said:

Yes and no.  ARTPOP had heavier EDM and psychedelic influences compared to her previous work. So naturally, fans who preferred her TF/M approach would not like it. Doesn't mean those who really appreciate psychedelic tracks were forced to like them to make the album seem good.

EDM has completely dominated the mainstream since the turn of the decade. And there's only 3 songs on AP with even a hint of psychedelia, and even then they're still extremely conventional pop songs. I mean one of them (the title track) is a near carbon copy of a Selena Gomez song  

TF/M and AP aren't the least bit disanalogous stylistically so it's not reasonable to conclude that at all. Most fans who were let down were so due to the quality.

[HighlandHeart 993]

8 minutes ago, Ronk said:

There are three reasons:  Some fans want to brag about Gaga's accomplishments and need ammunition for the stan wars.  Gaga, btw, is against stan wars.

Another reason is that fans think Gaga will be happier with high sales.  Any artist is happy to have success, including sales, awards, and critical acclaim.  But Gaga doesn't fit into the industry's mold.  To Gaga, other things are probably more important than sales.  She cares deeply about her art, vision, and creativity.  And probably she cares the most about the social issues.  One quote from her:  "If I could, for a moment, just inspire you to love yourself – that would be worth everything."

And of course, there is the argument that more sales allows bigger, more elaborate tours.  I don't know the metrics of that or how much Gaga concerns herself with it.

Thank you. Finally some sense. 

[The Child 18,997]

16 minutes ago, Drunk Poet said:

You're ridiculous and deluded, completely manipulated and swayed by what the labels and money-makers want you to believe. You clearly don't understand Gaga at all. And you clearly didn't watch this. 

She does not give a **** about charts. She meant hit record as in GOOD not as in POPULAR. She hates that charts chew up her music and spit it out, not because her music is bad, but because it's not the way music should be received by people. She warns everyone in this video to not be a sell-out to this business. Honestly, I can't even with you right now. 

Calm down, get laid, take some tea, I don't know what to tell you but CALM DOWN! I'm really calm you're taking my post WAY TOO SERIOUS! I'm still thinking what I thought in my first post.

August 2013

Gaga while promoting Applause on radio says that every song on ARTPOP is made to be a hit, a hit as in a hit.

March 2014

The video you linked me to that I did watch obviously, we see a Gaga affected and depressed because her manager left her, her latest album underperformed and she was tired of fighting for her art.

So yeah in 7 months **** happens and in 7 months a person change, she didn't think like that in August 2013 but what happened in the following months made her think like that.

Don't tell me she didn't want any chart success with ARTPOP cause that would be a damn lie.

Now leave me alone I'm definitely not writing another long ass post like this one to answer to you. Thank you.

And I would gladly appreciate it if you stopped insulted me by saying I'm insufferable, ridiculous, deluded & manipulated or else I will report you.

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

5 minutes ago, CoCo1 said:

TF/M and AP aren't the least bit disanalogous stylistically

Of course they are. Why else are fans asking for another TF/M while bashing ARTPOP?

[giskardsb 12,565]

The thing is many Gaga fans don't just want "good" sales, they need Gaga to be top of the heap.  the only reason for that is to inflate their own self image as a fan, because Gaga can do just fine without doing Taylor Swift numbers.  ARTPOP as still one of the most commercially successful albums of the year, but that wasn't enough for many Gaga fans.  To them it's a flop because a handful of albums performed better.

 

[The Child 18,997]

1 minute ago, A Gaga Lad said:

Of course they are. Why else are fans asking for another TF/M while bashing ARTPOP?

Fans never asked for another TF, they are just wanting her to take TFM as a base and to experiment.

[HighlandHeart 993]

1 minute ago, CrazyMonster said:

Calm down, get laid, take some tea, I don't know what to tell you but CALM DOWN! I'm really calm you're taking my post WAY TOO SERIOUS! I'm still thinking what I thought in my first post.

August 2013

Gaga while promoting Applause on radio says that every song on ARTPOP is made to be a hit, a hit as in a hit.

March 2014

The video you linked me to that I did watch obviously, we see a Gaga affected and depressed because her manager left her, her latest album underperformed and she was tired of fighting for her art.

So yeah in 7 months **** happens and in 7 months a person change, she didn't think like that in August 2013 but what happened in the following months made her think like that.

Don't tell me she didn't want any chart success with ARTPOP cause that would be a damn lie.

Now leave me alone I'm definitely not writing another long ass post like this one to answer to you.

She said she wrote ARTPOP to be a hit, and it was a hit. 

And now you claim to know why she said all those things? She didn't say them just because she was depressed. She said them because she thought them and still does, always has. 

Good because it's wasting my time and giving me a headache. 

[giskardsb 12,565]

11 minutes ago, A Gaga Lad said:

If truly the only thing she cared about is artistry, she wouldn't even try to tone down her acts and try to win the GP back. She will just keep doing what she used to regardless of the critics' and the GP's perception on her.

the failure in this statement is that people making this argument assume that the "toned down" Gaga or JazzGa or ActressGa or whatever are invalid forms, and that only the "crazyGa" is the real version.

[The Child 18,997]

3 minutes ago, Drunk Poet said:

She said she wrote ARTPOP to be a hit, and it was a hit. 

And now you claim to know why she said all those things? She didn't say them just because she was depressed. She said them because she thought them and still does, always has. 

Good because it's wasting my time and giving me a headache. 

She's talking about the album and as we all know not every damn song on the album is a hit, could you imagine Jewels N Drugs & Dope playing on the radio 24/7? No so they are automatically not hits. 

She said them thanks to her depression which opened her eyes on what she became or what her label/manager/industry made her become, a person who wanted to chart. I'm glad she find herself again cause I'm sure during TF/TFM/BTW she thought exactly like in this 2014 video, but I'm sure that with ARTPOP she got carried away.