Q: "Why does everyone care about sales."

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

1 minute ago, Edonis said:

Because Gaga ends the era early, we get a lower budgeted tour, and she gets depressed again and I for one as a fan feel bad for her. She deserves successes. 

And honestly, you'd have to be really naive to think she doesn't care about success. See ARTPOP and why she only had 3 singles and why she wrapped up the era so early, gave up on everything and basically seemed defeated until the tour started. She cares about successes. This is Lady Gaga. 

Thank you. It was so painful seeing Gaga getting dragged for poor sales performance. All the second-hand embarrassment was too much, imagine if you were Gaga yourself and everyone wrote you off just because your album underperformed.

So if you all think we care too much about the charts, it's not just because, but so that Gaga will not go through all that mess again. 

[HighlandHeart 993]

4 minutes ago, Edonis said:

Because Gaga ends the era early, we get a lower budgeted tour, and she gets depressed again and I for one as a fan feel bad for her. She deserves successes. 

And honestly, you'd have to be really naive to think she doesn't care about success. See ARTPOP and why she only had 3 singles and why she wrapped up the era so early, gave up on everything and basically seemed defeated until the tour started. She cares about successes. This is Lady Gaga. 

I didn't say that she doesn't care about success. I said that Gaga accepts that some people just won't like what she does. So should ROARyals. 

[M I M I Z 946]

I care so much about sales and Gaga should too.

Sales means that people are interested in you and want to listen to your music. I mean what's the point of releasing album that no one want to listen to even for free? 

Artists always say I'm doing this album for my fans, well if your own fans doesn't buy your album you need to find another job or be music teacher or something.

 

[Chicka 2,385]

Well to me, while I kind of see where you're coming from with the Gaga's well being and everything, I see people caring more about sales as a means of competition with other artists, rather than as a way to help Gaga. People (again, from what I've seen) are really focused these days on "your fave could never" if you know what I mean. And we like to see Gaga beating the competition, obviously. But in my opinion too many fans are getting caught up in that. My issue with fans saying they care about Gaga and that's why they want her music to do well is that I think it changes our opinions of her music, and that is probably the last thing she wants. If ARTPOP wouldn't have flopped, not nearly as many fans would have disliked that album. But since so many are obsessed with sales, that skewed our opinions of it (honestly, don't you think if that album was a commercial success, so many more fans would've loved it?). I'm not Gaga so I don't know how she feels, but I imagine she would rather us enjoy the music and the artistry and ignore the sales. Hasn't she even gone out saying publicly how she hates how her music is immediately ripped apart by reviewers and sales and charts? If there's anything we can do to help her mental health, it would probably be just to comment on the music itself.

[2NE1LG 193]

I find sales more exciting for newer artists. Watching new artists outdo themselves in sales and establishing a name for themselves in the scene is thrilling for fans who've been gunning for their faves from the jump. 

To more established artists like Gaga, Bey, Riri, etc., sales for me are just numbers at this point cause they automatically draw in huge crowds and it's expected that they finish with decent numbers. 

That's just my take on it. 

[Katsuki Bakugo 9,788]

25 minutes ago, ROARyals said:

hope I don't get a WP for being too blunt 

Been saying this for a very long time. It is truly about the music not the bling for me and I only care for her music at the end of the day- sure i want her to be happy but she is happiest when making music

 

SOME fans have to wait minutes for new music others a Millennium, we've waited a blip in the timeline that will be Gaga. 

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

2 minutes ago, brooklynnightss said:

Well to me, while I kind of see where you're coming from with the Gaga's well being and everything, I see people caring more about sales as a means of competition with other artists, rather than as a way to help Gaga. People (again, from what I've seen) are really focused these days on "your fave could never" if you know what I mean. And we like to see Gaga beating the competition, obviously. But in my opinion too many fans are getting caught up in that. My issue with fans saying they care about Gaga and that's why they want her music to do well is that I think it changes our opinions of her music, and that is probably the last thing she wants. If ARTPOP wouldn't have flopped, not nearly as many fans would have disliked that album. But since so many are obsessed with sales, that skewed our opinions of it (honestly, don't you think if that album was a commercial success, so many more fans would've loved it?). I'm not Gaga so I don't know how she feels, but I imagine she would rather us enjoy the music and the artistry and ignore the sales. Hasn't she even gone out saying publicly how she hates how her music is immediately ripped apart by reviewers and sales and charts? If there's anything we can do to help her mental health, it would probably be just to comment on the music itself.

Yes and no.  ARTPOP had heavier EDM and psychedelic influences compared to her previous work. So naturally, fans who preferred her TF/M approach would not like it. Doesn't mean those who really appreciate psychedelic tracks were forced to like them to make the album seem good.

[Edonis 28,950]

5 minutes ago, Drunk Poet said:

I didn't say that she doesn't care about success. I said that Gaga accepts that some people just won't like what she does. So should ROARyals. 

But that's not what you were saying though. You asked why someone cared if an album "flops". That's why. It goes beyond just bragging rights and stuff. 

And again, it's different if Gaga says she doesn't care if some people like her as opposed to if her music underperformed. She doesn't care if everyone likes her (at least, back then she didn't) but she definitely cares if her music and her message is shared with the world. 

[HighlandHeart 993]

7 minutes ago, M I M I Z said:

I care so much about sales and Gaga should too.

Sales means that people are interested in you and want to listen to your music. I mean what's the point of releasing album that no one want to listen to even for free? 

Artists always say I'm doing this album for my fans, well if your own fans doesn't buy your album you need to find another job or be music teacher or something.

 

If your own fans don't buy the album they're not fans. 

People did buy ARTPOP. Loads of people loved ARTPOP. It just didn't sell 20 million like everyone expected it to. That's too much pressure to put on one human being. 

Sales mean that people are interested and want to buy your music, yes. But they don't constitute musical or artistic merit. You'll find that the majority in pop culture are usually uncultured and lack genuine musical taste. As I've said before, in an age where 'Work' is number one for ten weeks, charts and sales hardly matter. 

With all this said, I genuinely believe that LG5 is going to knock everybody out of the park. I just know it. I can feel it. Bookmark me and if I'm wrong I'll leave this site for good as a punishment. 

[HighlandHeart 993]

7 minutes ago, A Gaga Lad said:

Yes and no.  ARTPOP had heavier EDM and psychedelic influences compared to her previous work. So naturally, fans who preferred her TF/M approach would not like it. Doesn't mean those who really appreciate psychedelic tracks were forced to like them to make the album seem good.

I don't agree with this. I loved TF/M and ARTPOP. TF/M changed my life. But I realise that Gaga is growing up and wants to experiment and explore and she has the right to do so because she's an artist. I have a broad musical taste and so I liked both. Just because some people have limited taste doesn't mean it is bad music. That is not to say that everyone that disliked ARTPOP has limited musical taste, but unfortunately, many do. This is not an opinion. I've quizzed people. 

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

3 minutes ago, Drunk Poet said:

If your own fans don't buy the album they're not fans. 

People did buy ARTPOP. Loads of people loved ARTPOP. It just didn't sell 20 million like everyone expected it to. That's too much pressure to put on one human being. 

Sales mean that people are interested and want to buy your music, yes. But they don't constitute musical or artistic merit. You'll find that the majority in pop culture are usually uncultured and lack genuine musical taste. As I've said before, in an age where 'Work' is number one for ten weeks, charts and sales hardly matter. 

With all this said, I genuinely believe that LG5 is going to knock everybody out of the park. I just know it. I can feel it. Bookmark me and if I'm wrong I'll leave this site for good as a punishment. 

Good point. However, this doesn't take away the fact great sales make them look good, even if they aren't.

Conversely, an amazing artist with poor sales could get ripped to shreds or simply fade away.

I'm not even asking to out-Adele the competition--just a moderate sized success. Just enough to put her into the radar again (like PRISM-sized success or even a bit smaller). Surely, that's not asking for too much?

We can have a bit of both. Have none of the commercial success and despite amazing vocals, you end up xtinct.

[malazam 15,710]

Because we do, move on.

[HighlandHeart 993]

12 minutes ago, brooklynnightss said:

Well to me, while I kind of see where you're coming from with the Gaga's well being and everything, I see people caring more about sales as a means of competition with other artists, rather than as a way to help Gaga. People (again, from what I've seen) are really focused these days on "your fave could never" if you know what I mean. And we like to see Gaga beating the competition, obviously. But in my opinion too many fans are getting caught up in that. My issue with fans saying they care about Gaga and that's why they want her music to do well is that I think it changes our opinions of her music, and that is probably the last thing she wants. If ARTPOP wouldn't have flopped, not nearly as many fans would have disliked that album. But since so many are obsessed with sales, that skewed our opinions of it (honestly, don't you think if that album was a commercial success, so many more fans would've loved it?). I'm not Gaga so I don't know how she feels, but I imagine she would rather us enjoy the music and the artistry and ignore the sales. Hasn't she even gone out saying publicly how she hates how her music is immediately ripped apart by reviewers and sales and charts? If there's anything we can do to help her mental health, it would probably be just to comment on the music itself.

THANK YOU! I see so many people on here basing their opinions of the music on the sales and charts and bullshit critics reviews and what's sad is that they don't even realise how awful this is. It's just depressing. 

[HighlandHeart 993]

5 minutes ago, A Gaga Lad said:

Good point. However, this doesn't take away the fact great sales make them look good, even if they aren't.

Conversely, an amazing artist with poor sales could get ripped to shreds or simply fade away.

I'm not even asking to out-Adele the competition--just a moderate sized success. Just enough to put her into the radar again (like PRISM-sized success or even a bit smaller). Surely, that's not asking for too much?

We can have a bit of both. Have none of the commercial success and despite amazing vocals, you end up xtinct.

I understand that you want it, but if Gaga wants it it will happen. Gaga has the power to make hits and please the critics if she wants to. She proved it with The Fame. She made her debut with it to catch the attention of everyone, say I'm here bitches and prove that she can do it. From that, to me anyway, anything she does after that, even the most experimental, should just be appreciated for what it is and not blasted for not selling 20 million records, as she's already proved she can make hits and please the critics if she wants to. She didn't make ARTPOP for that and that's why I'm so confused as to why people always make out as if she did and failed in trying to do so. The whole point of the album was to put art in the front, state that she is the artist and can do what she wants, and that pressure from the public and labels don't decide what she does. 

But if that's what you want I truly believe you won't have to worry. I think she will have a number one hit single and a critically acclaimed album this time. People forget, this is Lady Gaga we're talking about. 

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

3 minutes ago, Drunk Poet said:

I don't agree with this. I loved TF/M and ARTPOP. TF/M changed my life. But I realise that Gaga is growing up and wants to experiment and explore and she has the right to do so because she's an artist. I have a broad musical taste and so I liked both. Just because some people have limited taste doesn't mean it is bad music. That is not to say that everyone that disliked ARTPOP has limited musical taste, but unfortunately, many do. This is not an opinion. I've quizzed people. 

Okay. I admit I could have worded it differently. But basically my point in the context was that fans who did like ARTPOP could have been due to their preference, and not simply as a desperate act to make the album seem good.

I mean ARTPOP the song isn't your conventional pop record but damn does it give me so much life. I feel like it does take me to the skies. And people who don't feel this way with records like this might not get the appeal -OR- not as much as TF/M. And I understand that. But don't say my liking of the song is forced.