Rigged Election: Nevada's Real Story!

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

5 hours ago, PaperIz said:

You're reply literally told me to do what was right though lol. Like I literally replied to exactly what you said. Want to call that complaining and self victimization? Fine  also I was just giving my opinion to this thread and what we're discussing so yeah

Did I have to underscore "to you"?

Yes it's self victimization when you think you're being attacked or forced to do something.

and yes it is complaining when you continue to bemoan how horrible you have it going. Wonderful. Do what's right in the current situation.

Oh sorry. Do what's right FOR YOU in the current situation and quit being so goddamn negative.

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19 hours ago, LebaneseDude said:

The physical altercations did not happen during this rally. They did during a Trump Chicago rally.

Is that how you demand recounts? By boo'ing non-stop, being disruptive, and outright rude? Stop excusing this behavior.

Also stop implying that a "majority" of people didn't get to vote. Yeah no **** if you are not registered to vote for the DEMOCRATIC primary then it's your goddamn fault. The rules have been said since forever. Are you seriously implying that individuals who have NEVER participated in the Democratic party should be allowed to influence the DEMOCRATIC primary? Hell I wouldn't people who don't participate in the political process to have ANY influence at all. How ****ed up is that logic?

You guys don't even take civics courses. That you have to constantly be informed by a foreigner is pathetic. I have zero empathy for people who don't participate in the political process then cry foul when they cannot because of their own laziness or failure. 

Then there's your implication that they'd all even vote for Bernie to begin with. HA! Don't make me laugh.

And stop bringing up the past as if it's relevant today. I'm fully aware that Clinton had rabid supporters of her own a decade ago. I'd call them idiots back then and I'm calling their current iteration idiots now.

I'm fully aware that nothing is perfect. If only you'd apply that logic to how you view Bernie's idealism. The entire reason why I support Hillary over her is that I'm fully aware that none of his plans will get anywhere because the US. democratic system is flawed and inefficient.

Holy ****. The irony in your post is hilarious. The entirety of your last two paragraphs is nothing but demeaning and condescending to the nth degree. 

Feel free to write several more paragraphs rationalizing how you're the victim here. I am literally telling you that I'm not being condescending.

Grow a pair and stop taking every stern rejection of your beliefs as being condescending. I can think your opinion is ****ing stupid without being condescending to your person, because guess what, you can have ****ing stupid opinions without being stupid. My thinking that my opinion is better formed from facts and actual evidence is not being condescending. It's being more rational.

Get informed. All of your posts are nothing but theorizing and self-victimization. 

Now THAT is a condescending statement.

Um, not implying anything. 

I said two different statements.

1. A lot of people in the democratic elections don't get to vote. I don't know under what rock you've been, but it's much more than just "not being registered a Democrat". It's also voter ID laws, lack of polling places (in AZ, many low-income people couldn't vote because there were no polls anywhere near them; they cut their locations by almost half as many as they had in 2008), and in NY people were being registered to the wrong party. Before you even try to come for me about ~*Bernie*~, I am in no way implying that this is Hillary's fault, it's just a problem that keeps coming up and we need to fix so we get the most voter turn out.

2. The other statement I made was a bout elections not reflecting the entire picture of the sentiment of the country. This is true as the majority of people in the U.S. don't vote, either during primaries or for the presidential election. That is a fact, and I was not implying that if everyone voted Bernie would win either. I was simply stating facts.

Also, boo, I'm quite literally a Government major. You're not educating me on anything.

I'm also nowhere painting myself as the victim? All I've been saying is that you're condescending af, which you are, but that doesn't mean I'm hurt by you lmao. It just means I'm over your attitude. If you think my ideas are silly, fine, but be willing to listen aka be a grown up.

 

 

Also, when have you brought up facts? Cause you haven't. Eek. I also haven't just been theorizing, I've been putting down truthful statements such as Hillary's PUMAs, lack of polls, voter ID laws, voter turnout, etc.

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I found this video, and it was the clearest on why Sanders supporters are angry and upset over the Nevada caucus. A few Clinton supporters on the site tried to shuffle this under the rug, and Major News Networks (that are owned by companies that donate to Clinton) are trying to call this angry/chaotic Bernie supporters. In fact, it is angry VOTERS, who have seen their democracy taken away and oligarchy put in place. Not only were delegates purged, but delegates were completely sidelined for implementation of "temporary rules".

 

STEP BY STEP PROVIDED BY /U/duder9000/ on reddit.

Spoiler

*BASIC STEP-BY-STEP OF WHAT WENT DOWN! *

It's easy to feel outrage, but difficult to SHARE outrage when you aren't confident about explaining to others what is going on. I did my best here to compile background info and a breakdown of yesterday's events so we can educate ourselves and, subsequently, educate others.

BACKGROUND INFO:

Nevada Caucus - has 3 tiers, 3rd tier wins state/delegates:

1st Tier (main televised caucus Feb 20th): Hillary won

2nd Tier (April 2nd): flipped to Bernie

3rd Tier (May 14th): last night's shitshow

(1st Tier Feb 20th problem: At the county level convention 20% of the voters at the original caucus were missing valid ballots. So 20% of the delegates were up for grabs. That means Hillary did not legitimately win the first round of caucus and that is an important factor everyone is leaving out. - Thanks to /u/vamub for pointing this out.)

Shady rule-changing prior to last night:

Nevada Democratic Party knew that based on the 2nd Tier vote, the 3rd Tier would probably go to Bernie. They didn't want this. So they changed some rules around!

Changed the Nevada Democratic Party rules so that Nevada's delegates would be awarded to the winner of the Feb 20th 1st Tier (ie Hillary).

However, they also knew that educated people would try to make motions at the convention to object to this rule, and that those motions would probably pass! So....

They also changed the Nevada Democratic Party rules so that all votes on the floor of the convention would be decided ONLY by a voice vote (all in favor say "aye", etc), and that the results of that voice vote would be decided ONLY by Nevada Democratic Party Chair Roberta Lange, and that her say was FINAL.

When you heard people talk about "Temporary Rules" last night, it was referring to these rules.

WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY:

"Temporary Rules" debacle:

Item #1 on agenda of convention was to vote for these "Temporary Rules" to pass. This was conducted by paper ballot.

Vote was supposed to be held after convention started, but instead it was held immediately at 10 am early at 9:30 when not everyone was inside the convention and not everyone who was inside had ballots. But you know who was inside and had all their ballots ready? All the Hillary earlybirds (early-hawks) that knew this vote was going to happen early. Vote passed.

Motion to have a re-vote of the Temporary Rules was demanded by citizens. Nevada Democratic Party Chair Roberta Lange instead held a voice vote that the temporary rules would stay. Some AYES, resounding NAYS. But who cares! She votes to pass it. Video of that CHILLING MOMENT here, (PS the beginning of this video is confusing because Roberta Lange is on screen, but the voice is from a woman talking OFF-screen. The voice is of a concerned citizen demanding a re-vote.) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5srPXtJV0V0 

Sanders delegates debacle:

64 delegates were ejected from the convention because they didn't have "the proper credentials", even though they did. They weren't allowed to prove they were credentialed. Shady.

Most, if not all, of these ejected were Sanders delegates.

Therefore, Clinton won by 30 delegates. How convenient.

Highlights from the resulting daylong/nightlong shitstorm:

Barbara Boxer mocks Sanders supporters (who were objecting to how things were going down):http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/05/15/barbara_boxer_to_nevada_democrats_if_you_boo_me_youre_booing_bernie_sanders.html

Roberta Lange commandeered all mics and surrounded herself by police so that no Sanders people could get on the mic

Eventually Dan Rolle (NV 2nd Congressional District Candidate) was able to get on the mic and he made a motion to call for the removal of Roberta Lange as Chair. As soon as he made that motion, his microphone was cut immediately. Of course. Motion was ignored. Great explanation of why this motion was ignored, here. Thanks /u/wormhog!Happens at 42:40 here:https://www.periscope.tv/FenyxFX/1yNGawjozjrxjCRAP this periscope link expired - NEW LINK: Happens at 42:40 here:https://youtu.be/P48-SrmBHKw?t=43m24s 

Nevada Democratic Party employs stalling tactics and psychological tactics to try to force people to leave. Making them wait hours while nothing happened, playing music SUPER LOUD, charging $5 for tiny little bottles of water. People online started ordering pizza for those inside. Some pizzas got in, but once it was realized what was going on, police started intercepting the pizzas and throwing them in the dumpster. the pizzas had to be moved outside.

Jesse Sbaih (NV 3rd Congressional District Candidate) gets on microphone and makes motion for a recount to resounding cheers. Motion is ignored (it is against the rules to ignore a motion). Happens at 16:50 here: https://youtu.be/8n2-u1P3uHM?t=16m50s 

Roberta Lange jumps onstage and in like 15 seconds makes a bunch of motions that basically say "all the shady votes that happened here tonight stand, the pro-Hillary delegate results stand, and this meeting is adjourned". She does voice votes on all this. NAYs are ridiculously louder every time. But she passes everything regardless, ignoring the nays, then runs off stage. COMPLETE CHAOS ENSUES Videos of this: From Periscope Superhero FENYXFX great video, 21:42 here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n2-u1P3uHM&feature=youtu.be&t=21m42s From Adryenn Ashley - great closeup video, start at 3:50 https://www.facebook.com/AdryennAshley/videos/10153761902337695/From Asia Zamora, this one well captures the pain and sadness of the aftermath of democracy being stolen from us, start at 2:30 though:https://www.facebook.com/asia.zamora.3/videos/1195756427101567/

Police come in and everyone is told to leave or they will get arrested. Here's a pic:https://mobile.twitter.com/Clyatt/status/731725898211151872 Video of DNC leaders running out side door:https://www.facebook.com/AlexanderLChambers/videos/1059531310749260/

RESULTS: By the rule change and delegate suppression there is a change of 8 net delegates. Instead of Bernie winning by 19-16, the result is 20-15 Clinton now. Thank you to /u/puppuli for this info!

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4jid77/basic_stepbystep_of_what_went_down_yesterday_at/

 

[DiscoHeaven23 35,007]

So take Nevada to make yourselves feel better.  

Won't change the outcome of the democratic race

[Himeros26 1,688]

I want the tea from other states to be spilled as well. All in good time 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

Not all of the "proof" being how loud they were, psychological warfare, and "shadiness" 

I've read better conspiracy theories on The Onion.

It's on the Internet. It must be true.