American Life vs American Idiot

[SirLudicopro 1,351]

16 minutes ago, Killa said:

Wait..."American Idiot" is ten times better!! What is going on here? Have you listened to that record?

I'm not really talking about the quality of the music, I'm talking more about the reception to the albums' themes. 

From what I read, Madonna had worse albums than American Life as far as quality goes, the only reason why it got so much hate was definitely because of its theme.

[Didymus 34,379]

5 minutes ago, Killa said:

Cause if you dig a bit and listen to it and appreciate, it seems that Madonna is using her usual strategy.

Erm. No.

[Killa 17,134]

4 minutes ago, SirLudicopro said:

I'm not really talking about the quality of the music, I'm talking more about the reception to the albums' themes. 

From what I read, Madonna had worse albums than American Life as far as quality goes, the only reason why it got so much hate was definitely because of its theme,

Okay i don't know her career by heart but i know "Die Another Day" came before and the song was amazing, i simply loved it. It had much airplay on MTV but it wasn't a hit.

It was time for a low in Madonna's career.

4 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Erm. No.

I'm talking about what i remember back then. The single was pretty lame at first. I showed her non-existant voice, even if the intention was it to be more recitative and less melodic. There was the rap part and the auto-tune. And there is something else lacking, cause the songs aren't bad. I had to listen to it again.

[Snow 1,582]

13 minutes ago, Killa said:

The thing is that American Life isn't bad, it's even pretty good but it's not good enough to pull through. Cause if you dig a bit and listen to it and appreciate, it seems that Madonna is using her usual strategy.

On the other hand you have Green Day with great, accessible, pleasent music, catchy, good lyrics, great visuals and a punk attitude. They're not stupid, they know very well how to play the game, but it still feels very unique. Because that's who they are. 

It's not about misogyny. At least that's not the central point. It's about the quality of the music.

Nope, cant agree with that.

[Didymus 34,379]

Just now, Killa said:

I'm talking about what i remember back then. The single was pretty lame at first. I showed her non-existant voice, even if the intention was it to be more recitative and less melodic. There was the rap part and the auto-tune. And there is something else lacking, cause the songs aren't bad. I had to listen to it again.

That's something totally different than saying she's relying on usual strategy. In fact it's the opposite

[Killa 17,134]

1 minute ago, Didymus said:

That's something totally different than saying she's relying on usual strategy. In fact it's the opposite

Yes, lol, but what stands out the most is Madonna serving some controversy with strong visuals. If you're overexposed and you're career is mostly fueled by controversy, it misses the political stance. Okay it's also because she's a woman. It remains unanswered if she had "Love Profusion" for 1st single, if the reception would have been different. Because Hollywood was pretty catchy

[Jay.P 2,336]

This thread made me want to listen to American Life

[Didymus 34,379]

5 minutes ago, Killa said:

Yes, lol, but what stands out the most is Madonna serving some controversy with strong visuals. If you're overexposed and you're career is mostly fueled by controversy, it misses the political stance. Okay it's also because she's a woman. It remains unanswered if she had "Love Profusion" for 1st single, if the reception would have been different. Because Hollywood was pretty catchy

As clueless as the reviews lmao

We're talking about an album here. The visuals weren't controversial at all when she released it. The album cover raised some eyebrows, yes, but the AL mv controversy only started when she included it in her tour a lot later.

Besides, how can you say people missed the political stance? She was banned from U.S. radio for criticizing American culture. The music video she didn't even release on tv is iconic. The music is never as talked about as her message back then.

I dunno, I don't get your arguments, they're so all over the place.

[Snow 1,582]

13 minutes ago, Didymus said:

As clueless as the reviews lmao

We're talking about an album here. The visuals weren't controversial at all when she released it. The album cover raised some eyebrows, yes, but the AL mv controversy only started when she included it in her tour a lot later.

Besides, how can you say people missed the political stance? She was banned from U.S. radio for criticizing American culture. The music video she didn't even release on tv is iconic. The music is never as talked about as her message back then.

I dunno, I don't get your arguments, they're so all over the place.

I do agree with but The MV Def played a big part in how The album was received and how she was banned. She throuw a grenade to Bush look alike for christ sake :DD and it was like two weeks too late as The war started allready and yeah, **** storm ensued and after The death threats to her children amoung many other things(I think there was even a Black Van waiting for them in school or something,) she had to back down. But it was Def before The album launch. Ofcourse it resurfaced later on tour with The segment and with associating with likes of Michael Moore etc.

[Didymus 34,379]

Just now, Snow said:

I do agree with but The MV Def played a big part in how The album was received and how she was banned. She throuw a grenade to Bush look alike for christ sake :DD and it was like two weeks two late as The war started allready and yeah, **** storm ensued and after The death threats to her children amoung many other things(I think there was even a Black Van waiting for them in school or something,) she had to back down. But it was Def before The album launch. Ofcourse it resurfaced later on tour with The segment and with associating with likes of Michael Moore etc.

She cancelled the video. It only leaked in 2005.

[Killa 17,134]

4 minutes ago, Didymus said:

As clueless as the reviews lmao

We're talking about an album here. The visuals weren't controversial at all when she released it. The album cover raised some eyebrows, yes, but the AL mv controversy only started when she included it in her tour a lot later.

Besides, how can you say people missed the political stance? She was banned from U.S. radio for criticizing American culture. The music video she didn't even release on tv is iconic. The music is never as talked about as her message back then.

I dunno, I don't get your arguments, they're so all over the place.

Well the video was aired in my country, the song, it's not the kind of song that has airplay here in Portugal. Well i just listened to the music, it simply isn't that commercial, i mean the whole sound of the record. Music was pretty innovative but this one isn't such a easy listen.

Well the radio ban changes things, i didn't remember that. But even if the media supported, the album wouldn't have the longevity that American Idiot had.

I meant people won't pay attention, and think she's just cosplaying soldiers in Iraq to sell her record and have nothing to say. But that kind of comment does come from the fact that she's a woman. So.. okay i stand corrected.

The arguments are mess like myself.

 

[Didymus 34,379]

2 minutes ago, Killa said:

Well the video was aired in my country, the song, it's not the kind of song that has airplay here in Portugal. Well i just listened to the music, it simply isn't that commercial, i mean the whole sound of the record. Music was pretty innovative but this one isn't such a easy listen.

Well the radio ban changes things, i didn't remember that. But even if the media supported, the album wouldn't have the longevity that American Idiot had.

I meant people won't pay attention, and think she's just cosplaying soldiers in Iraq to sell her record and have nothing to say. But that kind of comment does come from the fact that she's a woman. So.. okay i stand corrected.

The arguments are mess like myself.

So you're equating less commercial with less good?

[Didymus 34,379]

@Snow

Well, correction, of course the video caused controversy but it wasn't actually aired in the U.S., it was the mere description of the video that caused the mess.

I just brought it up because of Killa's visuals argument. But I see I was wrong about the mv in her tour, she actually didn't include that, nor was there controversy about her tour lol

[Snow 1,582]

1 minute ago, Didymus said:

@Snow

Well, correction, of course the video caused controversy but it wasn't actually aired in the U.S., it was the mere description of the video that caused the mess.

I just brought it up because of Killa's visuals argument. But I see I was wrong about the mv in her tour, she actually didn't include that, nor was there controversy about her tour lol

Yes i think uou are right.I don't remember whether it aired in US, it did in many other places and premiered in The internet, but was then pulled out. But it was a major drama and she did use parts of The vid during RIT.

[Killa 17,134]

3 minutes ago, Didymus said:

So you're equating less commercial with less good?

by no means. But even less commercial music can be more or less appealing. There's something about the production that is a bit off. The music sometimes feels a bit empty. Mostly in "Nobody knows me", "I'm so stupid", well i would have to listen to the entire CD to talk about it.. but for me, now i'm talking about my experience, it's too damn perfect and that's a problem in pop music. It's missing soul, fire, it has some beautiful moments but feels too polished. 

That's it, sorry quoting you some much