Morphine Prince 109,984 Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 1 minute ago, FATCAT said: The one she used to say that Sanders supporters won't vote for him if he got the nomination. Isn't the poll just showing how many Sanders supporters would vote for Trump, Hillary, or neither in the general? It's already assumed they will be the nominees.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 1 minute ago, LebaneseDude said: No. It said who you would vote for. It did not mention the candidates by name. Don't extrapolate your own conclusions. Do you not see the pie chart in the picture you posted on this thread... it said Hillary, Trump, or "other". The question really implied that it was a choice between Trump or CH. 2 minutes ago, FATCAT said: I don't think that's a fair assessment. He's at 1433, she's at 1,716, and there are still plenty of delegates left. It's not over til the convention. Awe, poor thing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted May 11, 2016 Author Share Posted May 11, 2016 1 minute ago, MJHolland said: Do you not see the pie chart in the picture you posted on this thread... it said Hillary, Trump, or "other". The question really implied that it was a choice between Trump or CH. Oh I was referring to the general poll not that specific result. One sec. Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,967 Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 1 minute ago, MJHolland said: Awe, poor thing That's a closer margin than Cruz by far. This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,984 Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 35 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said: I believe you. Many Sanders supporters are simply closet Republicans who were never going to vote for him in the general to begin with. Where are you getting the idea that they were never going to vote for him in the general to begin with? (From this poll). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted May 11, 2016 Author Share Posted May 11, 2016 "In November, Donald Trump would be the choice of 44 percent of West Virginia Democratic primary voters who supported Bernie Sanders Tuesday, CBS News early exit polling found. But support for Trump in the general election is largely driven by independents who were allowed to vote in West Virginia's Democratic primary. More than half would back Trump against either Hillary Clinton or Sanders. Thirty-six percent of the Democratic primary voters are independents, compared to just 18 percent in 2008." http://www.mediaite.com/tv/hillary-clinton-slaughters-bernie-sanders-in-west-virginia-with-non-trump-voters/ Then there's this little poll: http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/pa/Dem The combination of the Republican nominee being essentially chosen, and the open nature of the Democratic primary, implies that many of Bernie's supporters in this particular vote are independents who are voting for Bernie as a way to support Trump. It's just interesting to see how hilarious this is. Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted May 11, 2016 Author Share Posted May 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: Where are you getting the idea that they were never going to vote for him in the general to begin with? (From this poll). Because they are overwhelmingly independents as opposed to Democrats. The nature of this particular primary makes it easy to believe that they are not supporting Sanders but opposing Clinton. So the Bernie supporters in this case seem to be nothing more than closet Trump supporters. This is a stark contrast from many figures such as the following that have Bernie supporters refusing to vote for Trump http://www.vox.com/2016/5/4/11593434/bernie-sanders-poll-trump-clinton So there's this discrepency here that can't be accounted for. "Some other preliminary exit poll nuggets, reported by CNN. About 4 in 10 West Virginia Democrats would like the next president to be less liberal than Barack Obama -- a substantially higher figure than in other states, where the average has been 11 percent. Six in 10 of those voters, oddly, went for Sanders, who usually does better with more liberal voters. Sanders did about as well with moderates and self-identified conservatives in the state as he did with more liberal ones. NBC reports that those conservatives backed Sanders over Clinton." So it's very simple to make that correlation. Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,967 Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said: "In November, Donald Trump would be the choice of 44 percent of West Virginia Democratic primary voters who supported Bernie Sanders Tuesday, CBS News early exit polling found. But support for Trump in the general election is largely driven by independents who were allowed to vote in West Virginia's Democratic primary. More than half would back Trump against either Hillary Clinton or Sanders. Thirty-six percent of the Democratic primary voters are independents, compared to just 18 percent in 2008." http://www.mediaite.com/tv/hillary-clinton-slaughters-bernie-sanders-in-west-virginia-with-non-trump-voters/ Then there's this little poll: http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/pa/Dem The combination of the Republican nominee being essentially chosen, and the open nature of the Democratic primary, implies that many of Bernie's supporters in this particular vote are independents who are voting for Bernie as a way to support Trump. It's just interesting to see how hilarious this is. Way to spin this. You're just as good as CNN. (Clinton News Network) This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted May 11, 2016 Author Share Posted May 11, 2016 Just now, FATCAT said: Way to spin this. You're just as good as CNN. (Clinton News Network) Shh the adults are talking. Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,967 Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 Just now, LebaneseDude said: Shh the adults are talking. awwwww.. Drinking your juice from a big boy cup doesn't make you grownup. This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted May 11, 2016 Author Share Posted May 11, 2016 Just now, FATCAT said: awwwww.. Drinking your juice from a big boy cup doesn't make you grownup. No but actually holding a conversation with other people without dismissing every single argument while injecting your own analysis is. Sit down child. Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,967 Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 Just now, LebaneseDude said: No but actually holding a conversation with other people without dismissing every single argument while injecting your own analysis is. Sit down child. Have you had your nap today? This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted May 11, 2016 Author Share Posted May 11, 2016 Just now, FATCAT said: Have you had your nap today? No actually, I actually stayed up all night working on a deliverable. Thanks for your concern though. Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,984 Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 8 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said: "In November, Donald Trump would be the choice of 44 percent of West Virginia Democratic primary voters who supported Bernie Sanders Tuesday, CBS News early exit polling found. But support for Trump in the general election is largely driven by independents who were allowed to vote in West Virginia's Democratic primary. More than half would back Trump against either Hillary Clinton or Sanders. Thirty-six percent of the Democratic primary voters are independents, compared to just 18 percent in 2008." http://www.mediaite.com/tv/hillary-clinton-slaughters-bernie-sanders-in-west-virginia-with-non-trump-voters/ Then there's this little poll: http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/pa/Dem The combination of the Republican nominee being essentially chosen, and the open nature of the Democratic primary, implies that many of Bernie's supporters in this particular vote are independents who are voting for Bernie as a way to support Trump. It's just interesting to see how hilarious this is. That first link is kinda biased but ok. I can see the correlation you're making. However, it's only true for this state. So I'd be interested to see if this happens in the future primaries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted May 11, 2016 Author Share Posted May 11, 2016 1 minute ago, Morphine Prince said: That first link is kinda biased but ok. I can see the correlation you're making. However, it's only true for this state. So I'd be interested to see if this happens in the future primaries. O well I never made the implication that this implies to anyone outside the state. Everything I have said applies to these people and these people alone. Although I wonder if the trend of independents subverting the open nature of these democratic primaries for their own advantage to help Trump will continue. Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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