Stache / depression / Jean Paul Sartre / weed dependance

[Carmex 964]

1 minute ago, DevilHeart said:

ARTPOP hit the nail in the coffin. As soon as she """"explained"""" what she """"wanted"""" to """"try"""" to do with ARTPOP (=the infamous nonsensical speech she gave with the releases dates), the fans suddenly all became artists and/or art critics. Till this day, these very same people still have no clue about what art means but still put Gaga on a pedestal because she's a """true artist""", based on her most empty album.

But yeah, that must be because I don't understand the concept of the album...lol.

 

The original concept of the album was lost way before it was even released. Had she released something in 2012, I felt it would have been way more true to what she originally wanted to start out doing for the album.

It's too bad the concept got lost in translation with all the changes she made to the album throughout 2012 and 2013. I still remember when she said that some tracks (I think 'Tea' and 'Brooklyn Nights' or 'Temple') would be on the album one week, and then the next week when she had the stans spray paint the titles and upload them, those tracks were nowhere to be found.

But of course her fans will co-sign on anything and everything she says and does... Case in point with this thread. Weed addiction? The 'Dope' song itself? LOL

Also as if Stache has some sort of deep meaning. She was just a mega stoner because ALL she did in 2012 was party. Her fans just love to delve into things to look for a deeper meaning....

[FlopSlurper 34,336]

31 minutes ago, Carmex said:

It's her newer fans who are apart of the problem. They actually encourage **** like ARTPOP. How sad, I remember when this fanbase used to consist of people who had taste. 

I have been a little monster since TFM but ARTPOP is my favourite album of ALL times. Your comment literally makes no sense.

[MaybeKermit 4,960]

1 hour ago, PartySick said:

Can't wait for her to hit us with that adult wisdom

still hoping it will be Gaga enough tho 

[Giorno Giovanna 3,178]

5 hours ago, Didymus said:

To be connected to:

"I was ****ing tired! I was overworked. It became all about the money. I began feeling like a corporate machine – and my art was paying the price. I didn’t get into this business to sell perfume or take selfies with strangers." (IN Magazine, 2016) + the Instagram post where she's surrounded with fans and looks lost where she quotes Sartre as well, seemingly digging at her fame itself and what it's "done" to her.

Nice find. I never thought of connecting the two.

Clearly she's struggling with defining herself right now. Cue her blasting all social media communication last year even though that's how she built her connection with her fans. Interested to see how it's gonna go in the future.

could you post a link to said instagram post? I guess I haven't seen it yet

[PartySick 160,437]

7 minutes ago, Funkymonkey said:

still hoping it will be Gaga enough tho 

She always finds a way to be insightful and crazy  I wouldn't worry about it tbh

[Didymus 34,380]

1 minute ago, ToughHooker said:

could you post a link to said instagram post? I guess I haven't seen it yet

 

[Luxe Ford 3,481]

I'm embarrased. I thought she sang 'we're in Jean-Paul Sartre' because 'we're in Franz Kafka' wouldn't fit. 😳

[crisTEAne 21,059]

6 hours ago, DevilHeart said:

ARTPOP hit the nail in the coffin. As soon as she """"explained"""" what she """"wanted"""" to """"try"""" to do with ARTPOP (=the infamous nonsensical speech she gave with the releases dates), the fans suddenly all became artists and/or art critics. Till this day, these very same people still have no clue about what art means but still put Gaga on a pedestal because she's a """true artist""", based on her most empty album.

But yeah, that must be because I don't understand the concept of the album...lol.

nonsensical? no concept?

i didn't know art had a definition... look up poststructuralism and hermeneutics, please. 

if gagz isn't a true artist, i don't know who is...

empty? her pain is written all over it, FFS. look up her interviews. 

6 hours ago, Carmex said:

But of course her fans will co-sign on anything and everything she says and does... Case in point with this thread. Weed addiction? The 'Dope' song itself? LOL

Also as if Stache has some sort of deep meaning. She was just a mega stoner because ALL she did in 2012 was party. Her fans just love to delve into things to look for a deeper meaning....

did you just say "LOL" when talking about her addiction? disgusting.

JUST a mega stoner and all she did was PARTY? i'm seriously gonna punch you in the face. could you be more insensitive?

deeper meaning... i'm guessing you're not a humanities student and don't know **** about literary theory, poststructuralism or meaning-construction. i'm sorry to break it to you: there is no inherent, "deeper" meaning in anything... the metamodernist episteme will tell you.

GOD! @Didymus & @Son of ARTPOP guys, can you talk some sense into this one? i had two exams today, barely slept, must watch the series finale of the good wife (WHY? I LOVE THAT SHOW!), and here i am losing my mind because these comments ****ed me up. my hater and my fellow ARTPOP-lover, please lecture this one. thank you!

[Didymus 34,380]

6 hours ago, DevilHeart said:

ARTPOP hit the nail in the coffin. As soon as she """"explained"""" what she """"wanted"""" to """"try"""" to do with ARTPOP (=the infamous nonsensical speech she gave with the releases dates), the fans suddenly all became artists and/or art critics. Till this day, these very same people still have no clue about what art means but still put Gaga on a pedestal because she's a """true artist""", based on her most empty album.

But yeah, that must be because I don't understand the concept of the album...lol.

I don't think the album was devoid of artistic meaning, but she sure didn't try to promote it, so I can agree in that sense. Many fans here forget she described the album multiple times as a simple collection of radio friendly hoped-to-be-hits She even said back in 2012 that the album was not necessarily a reflection of what "ARTPOP" signified, but that it was just the musical part of a much larger project.

I think the failure of the era consisted in the fact that what was originally just a part of a bigger project turned out to be the whole thing and Gaga was forced to backtrack and present the album as what it really was and what it wasn't to be able to sell it at all Cue her saying she was tired of promoting the album on Howard Stern.

While I do think it's sad the album isn't taken seriously lyrically (where I think the real value lies, I personally think it's her most meaningful album in that respect actually) and as a concept piece with a hidden biographical narrative, I can't help but agree that a lot of fans ruin that even more by pretending ordinary fans can't understand it or whatever. I had a good laugh in another thread where those same people finally expressed their understanding of the album and it was mother****ing basic as all hell

So eh. I feel a bit double. On the one hand, the album is underrated as a concept piece, on the other hand, there are fans who take a quite horrifying pride in being able to appreciate the album for what it really is, when they don't really seem to have a clue either. But in any case, I do think the album is close to Gaga's heart, and she invested a lot of meaning in it in the ways she could (not musically, sadly, but from her recent comments we can understand why that is).

[eifulien 2,969]

@skeleton.gun I've given up on the idea that I can prove my point right to people who refuse to listen (read in our case).  The thread about ARTPOP from the member PartySick was the last one I commented in, and it was because I asked Didymus to provide his point and it was actually an interesting discussion, and quite objective one. Why bother explain something to people who are so stubbornly opinionated? (and this is valid to both sides when it comes to ARTPOP - not only the haters but the most fierce deffenders who again refuse to accept anything else but their take on the album).

Whoever feels like learning about the depths ARTPOP has - they are free to search through the forum, we have literally thousands of threads about it. But again, anyone who claims Gaga's music never had a deeper hidden meaning after listening to The Fame and ARTPOP, clearly failed to understand it, or even worse - is incapable of doing so. I'm sorry for them, and I don't think we can help them. 

[crisTEAne 21,059]

1 minute ago, Son of ARTPOP said:

@skeleton.gun I've given up on the idea that I can prove my point right to people who refuse to listen (read in our case).  The thread about ARTPOP from the member PartySick was the last one I commented in, and it was because I asked Didymus to provide his point and it was actually an interesting discussion, and quite objective one. Why bother explain something to people who are so stubbornly opinionated? (and this is valid to both sides when it comes to ARTPOP - not only the haters but the most fierce deffenders who again refuse to accept anything else but their take on the album).

Whoever feels like learning about the depths ARTPOP has - they are free to search through the forum, we have literally thousands of threads about it. But again, anyone who claims Gaga's music never had a deeper hidden meaning after listening to The Fame and ARTPOP, clearly failed to understand it, or even worse - is incapable of doing so. I'm sorry for them, and I don't think we can help them. 

i get it, and i'm sorry. i'm just really tired and got so upset. 

[eifulien 2,969]

13 minutes ago, skeleton.gun said:

i get it, and i'm sorry. i'm just really tired and got so upset. 

No worries, just don't let it get to you again! 

[PERFECTIONIST 2,139]

kind of like The Queen

Starry night come inside me like never before
Don't forget me when I come crying to heaven's door

 

Vincent Van Gogh who painted the starry night shot himself in the chest hence the "come inside me like never before" and his work didn't become "forgotten" when he came "crying to heaven's door"

 

[malazam 15,710]

Thanks for posting this thread! I didn't know about that I just keep bopping to it but now I have another perspective of the song! 

13 hours ago, Carmex said:

She should go back to smoking weed everyday. She was much more tolerable in '12.

You know that she still smokes? Like, everyday, right? 

about the tolerable thing....

Let's see it in this way, as a spectator 2012 was GREAT, new songs for fun, she going to parties, the Monstervision, the tour, the perfume, all IT WAS GREAT WE HAD GAGA EVERYWHERE!

but just as a spectator, from Gaga perspective that was hell! She was overworking, she was in pain, deeply depressed, the media was dragging her down....you just need to listen to one of her speeches at the BTWBall to know that 

12 hours ago, Carmex said:

Is that not the truth? Plus, weed isn't addictive. It's clear she was abusing weed, but that only means that she had some other underlying issues that she was avoiding.

It kinda is, she was in pain after the hip thing, she abused of weed like for real, she avoided pain generating an addiction

12 hours ago, PartySick said:

 

OT: I don't have much constructive to say other than this woman's a genius

 

SHE IS! Her lyrics are so smart, even if it's just a pop mainstrem song 

She's a genius! 

[holy scheisse 22,274]

 ahhh ggd threads about weed, where people chime in that have no idea what it is to have a relationship w weed