Gaga tweets Hillary for Mother's Day, fans react

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

11 minutes ago, Didymus said:

By ignoring it? That's a good one.

I understand your opinion but I don't agree with the idea that I was displaying sexist logic in my posts, that's the crucial difference.

Should I have called my friends and family members who supported Obama because they wanted a black president racist? Should I have called my friends and family members who wanted a young pope ageist? I didn't because I don't think in these cases there is a noteworthy (negative) bias present. Just like there's no noteworthy (negative) bias in my comments about Gaga either imo. Like I said, when Gaga does not offer any presentation of arguments as to why she supports Hillary except for a direct reference to Hillary "mothering" the United States (maybe she's the sexist one, have you thought about that?), I am gonna assume, based on my own personal observation of her past political statements, that that might be the prime reason for her supporting Hillary. And there would be nothing wrong with that at all, which is exactly why I don't get that me thinking that is sexist. There's no negative connotation around her being a woman involved at all. I'm just assuming what I think is the most realistic.

As a whole the sexist argument just fails completely for me. It's simply not relevant. If a male celebrity kept promoting Trump without offering any reasons why, I would naturally assume that guy is probably a racist. If a male celebrity kept promoting Bernie without offering any reasons why, I would naturally assume that guy was idealistic and probably doesn't have the wits to come up with a good argument as to what Bernie can bring to the table as president. And so would you, lbr. You have been generalizing Trump and Bernie supporters every single day here. I personally don't see the difference with me assuming that the sex of Hillary has something to do with Gaga's choice since she won't talk about her reasons for supporting her. It's just the most obvious conclusion, supported by my personal experience (admittedly, not empirical observation, but I never pretended my opinion was more than that), which is that a lot of women feel compelled to vote for Hillary firstly because they want a woman as president.

Is that so bad? Did that opinion seriously stick out in this thread of utter nonsensical, derogatory replies as something you seriously needed to discredit? Really?

Well you've toned down the victim card so I'll respond.

All the examples you list highlight the fact that you are generalizing them and assuming they are supporting someone because they share a characteristic.

For example, you mentioned black people voting for Obama. Why would you call them racist for voting for him? They can vote for any reason they want. On the other hand, you would be racist for assuming that they are voting for Obama only because he is black.

See the difference?

Her political past is nothing but circumstantial evidence. She has never stated why she would support a politician for you to make a relevant deduction on why she would side with Hillary. She has never displayed any characteristics that make one likely to assume she somehow is biased towards other women.

Now if you you were to say:

I think ONE reason Gaga is siding with Hillary is that Hillary is a female politician who has made it her career to work for women's and children's rights, and is therefore confident that she will continue on that path as president.

Then the supposed context of her voting for her is not sexist. 

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im not sure why you think I'm targeting you or something. I merely quoted your post and you responded, and we ended up having an exchange. 

Opinions are opinions, but we're here on a forum to discuss them. 

 

 

[AJH219 4,448]

A ten page meltdown over a Mother's day tweet?  MESS  

Edit: Also LOL at everyone saying she needs to stay out of politics because she doesn't support a candidate you like   If she was supporting Bernie, the tune would be different  

Spoiler

I am NEUTRAL to both of them so don't come at me 

 

[pink sushi 4,351]

Watch her tweet Trump on Father's Day. #TrumpBeOurDaddy 

[Arturo 40,746]

wait I haven't been on here through most of the election stuff. Is GGD pressed about Bernie losing hihi

[Morphine Prince 106,063]

5 hours ago, MJHolland said:

"County"

"Hilary" 

she doesn't even know how to spell the name of the cyborg she's supporting for president. #SoldOuT

I've told you this before but some of your posts make me cackle so much

 

[Killa 17,476]

 

 

[badboymonsterx 541]

Is she serious. This is 100% cringeworthy 

[Guest]

This is so awkward lol

[Kayla 7,595]

Imagine if citizens referred to the President the way they do musical artists.

"OMG YAAASSS OBAMA! SLAY ME DADDY! VETO THAT CUNTY BILL! SNATCH THE WEAVES OFF THOSE EXECUTIVE FUKS!"

[Kayla 7,595]

10 hours ago, Didymus said:

Mess. Still no good reason to assume Gaga's voting for her for any other reason than that she's a woman.

If you're gonna expose your fanbase to this kind of stuff, I wish she'd explain her stance thoroughly instead of #HillaryBeOurMama.

 

10 hours ago, monstereo said:

I could if she had a good reason for supporting her for president.

 

The only explanations so far are because Hillary is a woman, and Gaga met her before.

Okay. Hold on y'all. No reason to assume Gaga's voting for her for any other reason? Let me just direct you to Hillary's Wikipedia page where you can spend some time looking at all the **** she's done throughout her life that makes her a very legitimate candidate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

The only explanation is because Hillary is a woman?

If Gaga was voting for a man would you say the only reason is because he's a man and Gaga is traditional that way?

 

If Hillary had the credentials of Donald Trump and people were trying to say she was only getting votes because she was a woman I'd believe them, but it's sad a politician with as much experience and hard work under her belt can have voters who are told they're only siding with her "because she's a woman." 

I'm not even a Hillary supporter but this is ridiculous. 

[Alphaz 7,956]

Hillary be like I Ain't Your Mama

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

17 minutes ago, Kayla said:

 

Okay. Hold on y'all. No reason to assume Gaga's voting for her for any other reason? Let me just direct you to Hillary's Wikipedia page where you can spend some time looking at all the **** she's done throughout her life that makes her a very legitimate candidate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

The only explanation is because Hillary is a woman?

If Gaga was voting for a man would you say the only reason is because he's a man and Gaga is traditional that way?

 

If Hillary had the credentials of Donald Trump and people were trying to say she was only getting votes because she was a woman I'd believe them, but it's sad a politician with as much experience and hard work under her belt can have voters who are told they're only siding with her "because she's a woman." 

I'm not even a Hillary supporter but this is ridiculous. 

[Kayla 7,595]

4 hours ago, Didymus said:

If a male celebrity kept promoting Trump without offering any reasons why, I would naturally assume that guy is probably a racist. If a male celebrity kept promoting Bernie without offering any reasons why, I would naturally assume that guy was idealistic and probably doesn't have the wits to come up with a good argument as to what Bernie can bring to the table as president. And so would you, lbr. You have been generalizing Trump and Bernie supporters every single day here. I personally don't see the difference with me assuming that the sex of Hillary has something to do with Gaga's choice since she won't talk about her reasons for supporting her. It's just the most obvious conclusion, supported by my personal experience

Here's my problem with that:

If someone votes Trump we might assume they're racist because Trump has brought many racist comments and ideas to the table.

If someone votes Bernie, we might assume they are idealistic because idealistic concepts are what Bernie has brought to the table.

But when you get to Hillary you focus on gender. You say that if someone votes Hillary, you would naturally assume the sex has something to do with it.

It's not that what you're saying is 100% false, as there are people who will choose her just because she's female (much like there are also people who will refuse to do so for the same reason) but the problem is that with male candidates you assume the supporters have a connection to their policies, but with the female candidate you assume the supporters have a connection to her gender and put all her actual ideas on the backburner. 

When it comes to political history with the candidates Hillary has way more under her belt than Trump, yet when people support Trump you assume it's for his ideas but when they support Hilldawg it's for her vagina? 

Hillary has been a familiar face for decades. If anything, I'd say the bulk of her supporters are on her side because they're aware of her and have experience with what she's done throughout her very rich and diverse political career. People like familiarity.
If some other random state senator was in the running I'm willing to bet Bernie would be KILLING it, but instead we ended up with Hillary who had a strong leading advantage (and the resume to back her up).

[mcoop 628]

DJWS is now tweeting that Bernie Sanders is the one that should be president and he's dragging Hillary. This could get interesting.

[AlexanderLevi2 5,849]

Bernie supporters are always so PRESSEDT