Stopping Clinton is top reason people are voting for Trump, vice versa

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

3 minutes ago, brizoda said:

man, I read press from around the world (from leftwing to rightwing) and in diferent languages

I know very well what Im saying.

Have you thought that maybe you're not right in everything

...? 

It was an innocuous question.  I wanted to know if you understand what you were talking about.

Lumping her along with neoconservatives is blatantly wrong.

She does share their perspective on promoting American ideologies to the rest of the world.

Tell me how that is a bad thing? If you're going to tell me that not attempting to help populations under totalitarian and oppressive regimes is a bad thing, then you're essentially saying that the USA should maintain a passive stance in regarding to world issues.

Russia and China won't stop. The EU is breaking at the seems. Good luck to preserving the present state of human progress with that.

This doesn't imply that she supports forcing wars. She simply does not demonize them.

[brizoda 4,176]

6 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

...? 

It was an innocuous question.  I wanted to know if you understand what you were talking about.

Lumping her along with neoconservatives is blatantly wrong.

She does share their perspective on promoting American ideologies to the rest of the world.

Tell me how that is a bad thing? If you're going to tell me that not attempting to help populations under totalitarian and oppressive regimes is a bad thing, then you're essentially saying that the USA should maintain a passive stance in regarding to world issues.

Russia and China won't stop. The EU is breaking at the seems. Good luck to preserving the present state of human progress with that.

C'mon she's friend with the Gulf States, Israel, Ukraine

She's an arrogant that want to impose the american (neoliberal) way in places that are not interested, changing or anihilating political regimes that are against it

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

1 minute ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

I don't care if most Americans were in favor of war. It's far away from them, they probably wouldn't be able to find Iraq on the map.

She voted for Iraq war based on false WMD and never apologized for over million dead. Without that and supporting Maliki, firing Sunni army, we wouldn't have ISIS today 

Did she learn from that mistake? No. She supported bombing of Libya, comment on execution of Gaddafi "we came, we saw, he died", like a coldblooded warlord. That created another terrorist haven.

She's big supporter of Netanyahu, who is 10 times worse than Trump, she promised MORE military aid for occupation of Palestine and future wars. They were just begging for 5 billion more from American tax payers. She refused to acknowledge Palestinians as human beings and blamed them for their own deaths.

It's not up to Palestinians first, but up to those who have upper hand, which is Israel. By continuing demolishing Palestinian villages and building more illegal settlements they clearly don't want peace. They are they ones who keep another nation as prisoners under military occupation and they are judged by military law and court. They've been bombing Gaza few days now and no one talks about it.

Brizoda mentioned bombing of Belgrade, how could I forget, I was there when it happened. No one paid for any those war crimes.

All those ****ing regime changes, backlashed so Hillary didn't learn anything.

 

We did this before and I'm not gonna do it again.

You can repeat same old, I won't bother. 

 

Why are you being so rude...? 

She did apologize. She regrets her part in it. Either way she did not kill those people. Bush did. You need to differentiate between legislative and execute decisions. You are blaming her for the actions of Bush. That's not fair.

You blame her for the results of these engagements when it's the local population's fault for biting the hand that feeds them. The USA cannot afford to maintain a passive stance. It's irresponsible in the face of Russia and China's influence.

She's not a big supporter of Natenyahu. She just says that maintaining diplomatic relations with Israel are important. I know Palestine is a big deal for you. It is for me too. It's just not right to ignore the realities of Middle Eastern politics. She has a history of supporting Palestine. Just because she supports Israel does not make her anti-Palestine.

Neither she nor I support the horrors that Palestinians are going through. All she said was they have the right to defend themselves from Hamas attacks. Why is that so difficult to grasp? 

 

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People have a real deep seeded hatred for Hillary. Remember when she got booed right after 9/11?

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

7 minutes ago, brizoda said:

C'mon she's friend with the Gulf States, Israel, Ukraine

She's an arrogant that want to impose the american way in places that are not interested, changing or anihilating political regimes that are against

So? Is Israel bad or something? Their governments do shitty things but they have civilians that need to be considered. Stop demonizing Israelis. Also the USA-Israel alliance is the only thing keeping the states there in check. You'd have more warfare without it. 

Not interested? Are you kidding? Are you actually saying that people don't want basic liberties and freedoms? 

You are literally coming out in favor of a laissez-faire approach to politics. If people like you were in charge, the USA would never have protected Lebanese Christian interests post civil war and I'd be dead. Thanks a lot. You talk the talk about social welfare but apparently that stops at Americans?

How hypocritical. 

[lego 44,165]

The shockingly brutal Saudi air campaign in Yemen has been led by American-made F-15 jet fighters.

The indiscriminate bombing of civilians and rescuers from the air has prompted human rights organizations to claim that some Saudi-led strikes on Yemen may amount to war crimes. At least 2,800 civilians have been killed in the conflict so far, according to the United Nations — mostly by airstrikes. The strikes have killed journalists andambulance drivers.

The planes, made by Boeing, have been implicated in the bombing ofthree facilities supported by Doctors Without Borders (Médicins Sans Frontières). The U.N. Secretary Generalhas decried “intense airstrikes in residential areas and on civilian buildings in Sanaa, including the chamber of commerce, a wedding hall, and a center for the blind,” and has warned that reports of cluster bombs being used in populated areas “may amount to a war crime due to their indiscriminate nature.”

Bombs dropped by fighter jets arepulverizing Yemen’s architectural history, possibly in violation ofinternational humanitarian law.

A few years earlier, as secretary of state, Hillary Clinton made weapons transfer to the Saudi government a “top priority,” according to her closest military aide.

And now, newly released emails show that her aides kept her well-informed of the approval process for a $29.4 billion sale in 2011 of up to 84advanced F-15SA fighters, manufactured by Boeing, along with upgrades to the pre-existing Saudi fleet of 70 F-15 aircraft and munitions, spare parts, training, maintenance, and logistics.

The deal was finalized on Christmas Eve 2011. Afterward, Jake Sullivan, then Clinton’s deputy chief of staff and now a senior policy adviser on her presidential campaign, sent her a celebratory email string topped with the chipper message: “FYI — good news.”

The email string was part of a new batch of emails from Clinton’s private server, made public on Friday evening as the result of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.

One American official, whose name is redacted in the emails, said he had just received confirmation that Prince Salman, now the king of Saudi Arabia but at the time the senior Saudi liaison approving the weapons deal, had “signed the F-15SA LOA today” and would send scanned documents the following day.

“Not a bad Christmas present,” he added.

https://theintercept.com/2016/02/22/saudi-christmas-present/

https://foia.state.gov/Search/Results.aspx?collection=Clinton_Email_February_19_Release

 

[brizoda 4,176]

Just now, LebaneseDude said:

So? Is Israel bad or something? Their governments do shitty things but they have civilians that need to be considered. Stop demonizing Israelis.

]Not interested? Are you kidding? Are you actually saying that people don't want basic liberties and freedoms? 

You are literally coming out in favor of a laissez-faire approach to politics. If people like you were in charge, the USA would never have protected Lebanese Christian interests post civil war and I'd be dead. Thanks a lot.

overthrowing polítics in countries against neocorporativism is not help is intrusion

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

1 minute ago, brizoda said:

overthrowing polítics in countries against neocorporativism is not help is intrusion

It is not intrusion when people in those countries literally came out asking for support. It is not intrusion when people in those countries were being brutally oppressed by their regimes.

Too bad the occasional political asshole often had this own agendas. It's the risk you take when engaging with turbulence. Perhaps the people were not ready yet, but could not receive the proper help before the **** started, like France did with Lebanon. Even then look at us now. 

Don't you dare say that making the effort is not worth it.

[brizoda 4,176]

1 minute ago, YourSweet666 said:

The shockingly brutal Saudi air campaign in Yemen has been led by American-made F-15 jet fighters.

The indiscriminate bombing of civilians and rescuers from the air has prompted human rights organizations to claim that some Saudi-led strikes on Yemen may amount to war crimes. At least 2,800 civilians have been killed in the conflict so far, according to the United Nations — mostly by airstrikes. The strikes have killed journalists andambulance drivers.

The planes, made by Boeing, have been implicated in the bombing ofthree facilities supported by Doctors Without Borders (Médicins Sans Frontières). The U.N. Secretary Generalhas decried “intense airstrikes in residential areas and on civilian buildings in Sanaa, including the chamber of commerce, a wedding hall, and a center for the blind,” and has warned that reports of cluster bombs being used in populated areas “may amount to a war crime due to their indiscriminate nature.”

Bombs dropped by fighter jets arepulverizing Yemen’s architectural history, possibly in violation ofinternational humanitarian law.

A few years earlier, as secretary of state, Hillary Clinton made weapons transfer to the Saudi government a “top priority,” according to her closest military aide.

And now, newly released emails show that her aides kept her well-informed of the approval process for a $29.4 billion sale in 2011 of up to 84advanced F-15SA fighters, manufactured by Boeing, along with upgrades to the pre-existing Saudi fleet of 70 F-15 aircraft and munitions, spare parts, training, maintenance, and logistics.

The deal was finalized on Christmas Eve 2011. Afterward, Jake Sullivan, then Clinton’s deputy chief of staff and now a senior policy adviser on her presidential campaign, sent her a celebratory email string topped with the chipper message: “FYI — good news.”

The email string was part of a new batch of emails from Clinton’s private server, made public on Friday evening as the result of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.

One American official, whose name is redacted in the emails, said he had just received confirmation that Prince Salman, now the king of Saudi Arabia but at the time the senior Saudi liaison approving the weapons deal, had “signed the F-15SA LOA today” and would send scanned documents the following day.

“Not a bad Christmas present,” he added.

https://theintercept.com/2016/02/22/saudi-christmas-present/

https://foia.state.gov/Search/Results.aspx?collection=Clinton_Email_February_19_Release

 

not only Hillary also the Tory government in UK

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Thats pretty typical in elections tho

[brizoda 4,176]

Just now, LebaneseDude said:

It is not intrusion when people in those countries literally came out asking for support. It is not intrusion when people in those countries were being brutally oppressed by their regimes.

Too bad they often had their own agendas. Perhaps the people were not ready yet. Don't you dare say that making the effort is not worth it.

You say nothing about the gulf states that crushed his population during the Arab Spring.

So much democrat of her, she seems perturbed by Money and lust for power

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

6 minutes ago, YourSweet666 said:

*snip* 

What is this supposed to prove regarding Hillary?

These are Obama's foreign policies. Blame him not her.

Furthermore, it's not the USA's responsibility for what happens to people after they receive the weapons. We don't even know the context of the deals. Do you know what the USA gained from it?

Wait a second. Isn't it exactly Sanders' stance that gun salesmen should not be held liable for selling weapons to people who use them for committing crimes?

The lack of consistency in your logic is astounding.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

1 minute ago, brizoda said:

You say nothing about the gulf states that crushed his population during the Arab Spring.

So much democrat of her, she seems perturbed by Money and lust for power

What? I don't get what you're saying.

Even then you keep blaming her for the actions of these people as if they don't have their own wills. They aren't sheep.

Obama's foreign policy aimed at assisting these people liberate themselves from oppression. That they failed to take advantage of it is THEIR fault not the USA's, especially when not enough time was given to begin democratic assimilation.

[brizoda 4,176]

1 minute ago, LebaneseDude said:

What? I don't get what you're saying.

Even then you keep blaming her for the actions of these people as if they don't have their own wills. They aren't sheep.

Obama's foreign policy aimed at assisting these people liberate themselves from oppression. That they failed to take advantage of it is THEIR fault not the USA's, especially when not enough time was given to begin democratic assimilation.

She is friend with Saudi Arabia (one of the most criminals regimes in the world) with North Korea, Iran and Israel

[lego 44,165]

9 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

You are blaming her for the actions of Bush. That's not fair.

 

I'm blaming them both, but Bush is not in this election race. We are now talking about her past and how she never learned from those mistakes. She repeated them. She didn't apologize.

Those dictators were ****, but funding rebels and trying to kill those regime lunatics only led to more sectarianism, violence and terrorism.

We will never agree about her stance on Palestine and the way she talks about whole conflict. She's just repeating same old Israeli hasbara from right wing Israeli government.