Who is a bigger Superstar? Gaga or Beyonce?

[Bradley 59,149]

5 hours ago, Didymus said:

A superstar ≠ a huge artist. Bey's starpower was already noticed when she debuted with Destiny's Child. So was Madonna's in her debut year of 1983. So was Britney's and Gaga's when they came out. What they achieved doesn't mean ****. It's all about the image you project onto your audience. If they believe you're a superstar, you are, despite a lack of competitive sales.

I'm not buying the "irrelevant" argument either. Again: Beyoncé did nothing last year while Gaga was everywhere and do you think that would've influenced people's decisions? You'd probably say no, but only because Beyoncé has had more time to prove herself. I think that's bs, since Bey already proved herself worthy of being called a massive superstar within the first eight years of her career. So even if you would compare the first eight years of their careers, I think the results wouldn't really change significantly.

I'm not talking about which era (BTW or 4) was bigger, I'm talking about whether or not 2011-12 would've influenced the comments in this thread and on this forum in general. Maybe you weren't here, but in those two years 80% of this forum loathed the album, loathed the promo, loathed the single choices, loathed the performances, loathed the visuals,... Everyone was complaining and wishing the TFM era would come back.

So I don't care about what "the world's" opinion is, that's not the subject of this thread or my posts It's about what we think and you're calling my arguments in favour of Beyoncé bs and can only refer to irrelevant stuff to defend yourself when the question in this thread is: who is the biggest superstar and why?

And I called Gaga ridiculous on tour based on her dancing compared to the dancing of her competitors (Beyoncé and Madonna specifically, the latter only mentioned to create some perspective since she's 50+ years old and is still [until 2013 anyway] more impressive in choreography than Gaga).

You seem to be talking about who has had more success, I think that matters little to nothing when it comes to your superstar status. Hell, people have been shitting on Beyoncé and Rihanna's lack of glorious album sales for years now and their reigns clearly aren't over. Beyoncé's tour success has grown over the years and is still growing and yet you discard that level of success too, acting like she's only successful now because she's been around longer, which is nothing but a myth this forum comes up with to pretend Gaga's still the major competitor

If you disagree with me, that's fine, but then stay on topic and respond with arguments about why Gaga or Bey is a bigger superstar in general and don't come up with these random off-topic arguments about who's in the business longer and why it's unfair because Gaga's been invisible for the last three years (which isn't even true). I was just stating my opinion as a personal opinion so I don't get why you're talking to me about the world's and this forum's opinion as a whole Why are you responding to me specifically in the first place?

What they achieved do determine how their audience view them. Competitive sales are not the sole factor but they do contribute to how people view these artists. The length of their careers do matter. Some might not consider Zayn a superstar, are we to compare him to Gaga? That's unfair to him, he only came out as a solo artist a few months ago. Gaga has garnered six Grammys and hundreds of other awards and has sold so much more than him, just like how Beyonce has more awards and better sales than Gaga. The image factor does pose some importance, but you seem to put all emphasis on that, and have totally excluded the star power that they have garnered over the years.

I don't really understand your second paragraph btw. If anything Beyonce did nothing last year but she was still a superstar, and why is that? Because of her past achievements, which kinda supports my argument that the length of your career does influence how we view an artist in regards of their status. The longer you're in a business, the more awards/sales you can accomplish and the more opportunities you have to prove yourself to be worthy of the public's attention.

I see your point now about the BTW/4 argument.

Beyonce can sing and dance. She is indeed a stronger touring artist than Gaga. I don't watch Madonna's videos often but I know her live vocals are weak. You said Gaga looked ridiculous on tour, I find that very inaccurate. She might not be a better dancer than Madonna or Beyonce but if you take their vocals and dancing into account, you might find Madonna to be the ridiculous one. It's like how Britney is a better dancer yet lip-syncs on tour. I'm sorry but I would rather Gaga, and have respect for her choice, to be able to sing properly and dance less vigorously like Madonna. That's my preference, so don't comment on that. Some might prefer good dancing over good vocals. Of course the perfect Gaga would be able to dance and sing just as well but if she can't, vocals >>> dancing, and that's something to commend, not condemn and be deemed as ridiculous. Besides, Gaga dances decently in many's opinion (you are one of the very few exceptions, apparently you were expecting Gaga to dance like Michael Jackson, have you seen Katy Perry or Rihanna's dancing?).

When have I discarded Beyonce's tour success though? And the statement of Beyonce being more successful because she's been in the business for longer is accurate and not a myth like you said? Let's give Gaga another 10 years and stop Beyonce from working for this period. Obviously Gaga would have better achievements by then? Do you not see the logic in this at all?  I'm starting to doubt your rationality, you sound like you despise all GGD members who defend Gaga here because they state opinions that are in your opinion delusional. I mean I don't support people being delusional but it seems like you despise them at Gaga's expense, by taking away credit that she deserves, and even now throwing her off the category where she now does not pose a threat to Beyonce at all, I hope Gaga wins over Beyonce in a major Grammy category next year to prove you wrong.

 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

7 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Well, to be frank, that's not very different from what I did. I never made a pass at your intelligence or capacity to understand. I took a cheap shot at you presenting yourself as "intellectually capable" (cue you dismissing my logic and what not in previous exchanges) in contrast to the very specific post in front of me. Just a thought.

You know what let's drop it we're both arguing semantics at this point. Let's agree to not do what we did again.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

4 minutes ago, Dominic Marc said:

This thread turned so dramatic, so silly.  

[Tokyo Rose 1,475]

Obviously Beyonce is bigger because she has been around longer.

It's impressive how quickly Gaga got to the level of being compared to the biggest performers.

It takes years, and you would still never compare Katy Perry for example to Beyonce with her abilities

[Dominic 11,922]

4 minutes ago, Tokyo Rose said:

Obviously Beyonce is bigger because she has been around longer.

It's impressive how quickly Gaga got to the level of being compared to the biggest performers.

It takes years, and you would still never compare Katy Perry for example to Beyonce with her abilities

Theres only one person we can compare Katy to:

Spoiler

Stay mad 

[PunkTheFunk 124,445]

During the Golden Years (2009-2012) Gaga was the biggest superstar on the PLANET in the SOLAR SYSTEM. If you want to deny that you can fight me.

I'm afraid that right now though, Bey is about 100x more relevant than Gaga. That's-just-the-way-it-is.gif.

[Bradley 59,149]

3 hours ago, Didymus said:

Why do people keep bringing this up? It's just a term The question is not about who's better. It's a very simple question. Fairness has nothing to do with it. You can be the biggest superstar without having the best music, just like you can be some random artist that will never be famous yet will have better quality of work compared to the biggest.

Y'all do the most not to admit that there are people who excel on certain irrelevant levels compared to Gaga.

They did provide an answer to this simple question though, and that's Beyonce, which is also the answer I provided.

They just pointed out how this poll is putting Gaga in a disadvantaged position considering she is relatively new in comparison with Beyonce, which I've said for the fifth time to you perhaps.

@Didymus I think you see the worst in some of us here in that we would murder to defend Gaga, NO. When someone is put in a disadvantaged position, they're not going to ignore it and pretend it's not a factor just because they provided an answer to your so called 'simple question'. They're going to give an answer, and point this factor out. It's reasonable to expect of them.

[Bradley 59,149]

Honestly you have serious prejudice towards people who defend Gaga here @Didymus 

I mean I like you, you've shown kindness to me in our PMs but this is kind of annoying.

Not everyone who defends Gaga is delusional. 

[yASSsss 35,510]

Gaga,of course.She's a Global Icon while Beyonce' isn't 

[TheJackMonster 1,857]

Right now? Beyonce and I'm not even a massive fan of hers.

[sipthistea 21,099]

Bigger: Beyoncé

Better: Gaga 

 

[TheJackMonster 1,857]

4 minutes ago, yASSsss said:

Gaga,of course.She's a Global Icon while Beyonce' isn't 

I like Gaga 1000x more than Beyonce but that's the dumbest thing I've ever read.

[yASSsss 35,510]

Just now, Jacwa said:

I like Gaga 1000x more than Beyonce but that's the dumbest thing I've ever read.

k.thanks for letting me know 

[Himeros26 1,688]

Gaga's openly admitted she's not a dancer so we shouldn't have to defend her dancing.

However, in terms of talent Gaga's the better girl here. She can play multiple instruments, write her own lyrics and melodies, sing, and takes her creativity to the next level versus having people write lyrics for you and taking credits from them, and playing a couple chords on the piano. Beyonce has incredible vocal talent and choreo skills but that's about it. Don't come for me though, I stan Bey okay.

In terms of Mainstream success, Beyonce wins. She's been around longer though, to be fair. But her career has had much success which is amazing.

[Higher 2,406]

Queen Bey.