"My wife wouldn't want to give birth next to an Arab woman"

[lego 44,165]

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52 minutes ago, River said:

well "party" it's not a music and dancing and screaming kind of party.

More a lot of food, showing the baby and letting all the women says "awwww", laughing, talking.. and eating...sharing it with the other new mom in the room and her family.. there's a limit of the number of people in a room for each woman anyway in Israel, so It's notl ike there are 40 people inside a room.. 5-7 max..

That's really not appropriate. Childbirth isn't the same for every woman. There is varying degrees of pain and exhaustion. I can't blame new moms for wanting a peaceful, quiet environment. 

[lego 44,165]

45 minutes ago, Whispering said:

That's really not appropriate. Childbirth isn't the same for every woman. There is varying degrees of pain and exhaustion. I can't blame new moms for wanting a peaceful, quiet environment. 

 

You don't think Arab women can have various degrees of pain and exhaustion after giving birth? 

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Wow that's not very cool 

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48 minutes ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

You don't think Arab women can have various degrees of pain and exhaustion after giving birth? 

Of course they can. 

Don't start trying to put words in my mouth. 

[lego 44,165]

1 minute ago, Whispering said:

Of course they can. 

Don't start trying to put words in my mouth. 

 

So what is your point then? What does "this is not appropriate" mean? It's their culture. 

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Just now, YourSweet666 said:

 

So what is your point then? What does "this is not appropriate" mean? It's their culture. 

Which is fine. Where it becomes innapropriate us when they their culture crosses with someone who is wanting or needing recuperation time. That's why I wouldn't blame new moms of new moms to be for wanting to avoid rooming with anyone that was going to have this type of atmosphere after the birth. 

 

[lego 44,165]

8 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Which is fine. Where it becomes innapropriate us when they their culture crosses with someone who is wanting or needing recuperation time. That's why I wouldn't blame new moms of new moms to be for wanting to avoid rooming with anyone that was going to have this type of atmosphere after the birth. 

 

 

It's Middle East, River just told you it's a custom of both Jews of Middle Eastern origin and Arabs. 

And the solution for that is segregation by race/religion/culture or imposing Western European customs? 

You already mentioned private rooms, so that is the solution for this type of moms, right? "This is not appropriate" just sounds like you're looking down upon their culture. 

 

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Such sickening ignorance.

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27 minutes ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

It's Middle East, River just told you it's a custom of both Jews of Middle Eastern origin and Arabs. 

And the solution for that is segregation by race/religion/culture or imposing Western European customs? 

You already mentioned private rooms, so that is the solution for this type of moms, right? "This is not appropriate" just sounds like you're looking down upon their culture. 

 

Private rooms are a solution, unless the hospital doesn't have that option or their is a lack of availability. In that case, it would be best if they put those new moms together who had a festive, party-like atmosphere after they gave birth. That way, those who prefer their hospital stay to be quiet and focusing on trying to get rest could have that option. If there are private rooms available everywhere, at all times, for little to no cost, then there shouldn't ever be an issue. 

Once again, the reasoning from the guy in the OP is hateful and racist. New moms wanting a hospital stay that focuses on rest and a more peaceful atmosphere is different. 

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4 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Private rooms are a solution, unless the hospital doesn't have that option or their is a lack of availability. In that case, it would be best if they put those new moms together who had a festive, party-like atmosphere after they gave birth. That way, those who prefer their hospital stay to be quiet and focusing on trying to get rest could have that option. If there are private rooms available everywhere, at all times, for little to no cost, then there shouldn't ever be an issue. 

Once again, the reasoning from the guy in the OP is hateful and racist. New moms wanting a hospital stay that focuses on rest and a more peaceful atmosphere is different. 

 

Ok, but the topic here is segregation in maternity wards which is not normal. And this guy is just giving his reasons.

There are moms from both sides who would want to have more rest and less guests and that's up to them, to prepare for that. 

 

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7 minutes ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

Ok, but the topic here is segregation in maternity wards which is not normal. And this guy is just giving his reasons.

There are moms from both sides who would want to have more rest and less guests and that's up to them, to prepare for that. 

 

Yes, that is the topic here and that's what my comments have been discussing. Yes, I know the guy is giving his reasons and part of his reasoning was racist and ignorant. 

If cultures clash, especially when it comes to invading on someone else's recuperation time in a hospital setting, then it makes perfect sense to try and match up cultures to make everyone happy. Once again, I don't blame new mom's for wanting what they need...whatever that may be. Since there seems to be an established culture difference, with one group preferring a festive party in the hospital and the other preferring to have concentrated time on peace and rest....why not match the moms up with their preferences? It seems like a common sense solution, so everyone can be happy and have what they need. I'm sure there are many moms that don't care either way. Maybe they can ask that question on admission? Or maybe just offer private rooms to everyone? That's how it is in the US, as far as I know. (meaning maternity wards have private rooms) 

[lego 44,165]

7 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Yes, that is the topic here and that's what my comments have been discussing. Yes, I know the guy is giving his reasons and part of his reasoning was racist and ignorant. 

If cultures clash, especially when it comes to invading on someone else's recuperation time in a hospital setting, then it makes perfect sense to try and match up cultures to make everyone happy. Once again, I don't blame new mom's for wanting what they need...whatever that may be. Since there seems to be an established culture difference, with one group preferring a festive party in the hospital and the other preferring to have concentrated time on peace and rest....why not match the moms up with their preferences? It seems like a common sense solution, so everyone can be happy and have what they need. I'm sure there are many moms that don't care either way. Maybe they can ask that question on admission? Or maybe just offer private rooms to everyone? That's how it is in the US, as far as I know. (meaning maternity wards have private rooms) 

 

So you do support segregation, that's all I'm getting from this. Jewish and Arab moms are segregated, not festive moms and non-festive moms. 

What is this matching up? Would you go to hospital to give birth and ask to be in a room with white Americans only, because other moms from other culture/races are too loud? Because that is what is happening in these hospitals.

 

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7 minutes ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

So you do support segregation, that's all I'm getting from this. Jewish and Arab moms are segregated, not festive moms and non-festive moms. 

What is this matching up? Would you go to hospital to give birth and ask to be in a room with white Americans only, because other moms from other culture/races are too loud? Because that is what is happening in these hospitals.

 

If a certain culture (whatever that may be) has a practice of having a party with food and lots of people in a hospital room, then why not match those individuals up so it can be one big party and not disturb those don't want to recuperate in that manner? If this is an issue and moms aren't getting what they need, why not try to accomadate them? 

In the US, the rooms are private in a maternity ward. Visitors and visiting times are limited in semi-private rooms for other floors in the hospital. If a person in that situation was having family and friends that were disturbing the other person, then the visitors would be cut back even more and the other person would probably be moved to a different room. 

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22 hours ago, Yo GagaGaga said:

not that I ever would, but if I called someone Chinese and they said "no, I'm actually from the Philippines" and I said "yellow is yellow" all hell would break loose

As the son of a Filipino immigrant who was ignorantly called Chinese by people a lot during childhood I would like to reinforce your post by agreeing that all hell would break loose if someone said "yellow is yellow" the way that one ignorant guy said "white is white." Like, there's a reason there's differentiation between Caucasian and White Hispanic and stuff lol