Muslims a Are Creating Nations Within Nations

[MJHolland 12,725]

2 hours ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

Well we don't really have polls within these segregated communities to support your claim, do we?

 

Extremism can come from anywhere, if you want to talk about ISIS today radicalization works mostly online, no matter where the person lives. Most 'modern' 'westernized' 'assimilated' muslims have been living criminal life underground and one day decided to join a group who does similar acts of crime on a bigger scale. 

That has nothing to do with what we were just talking about tho. You were criticizing only one group for things you can find in others too.

If you want to talk about terrorism, that's a different subject and not really related. 

 

If you know who Anjem Choudary is and you still don't think there is a unique problem posed by segregated Muslims communities within the UK in particular, I have to say I lose some amount of respect for your independent thinking skills...

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Just now, MJHolland said:

If you know who Anjem Choudary is and you still don't think there is a unique problem posed by segregated Muslims communities within the UK in particular, I have to say I lose some amount of respect for your thinking skills...

 

I do know who he is and I wonder why he wasn't locked up, since they can't deport him. MI5 could often harass ordinary muslims who travel to muslim countries and threaten them with all kinds of bs to become informants, which could later radicalize them, but they would let few known hate preachers to live free on benefits and openly spread hate. It took them ages to deport Omar Bakri for example. 

But if you would know anything about his past life, before becoming radical, he was a westernized drunken Brit who studied law and medicine and didn't isolate himself to '"muslim only" community. So there goes that theory. 

 

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10 minutes ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

I do know who he is and I wonder why he wasn't locked up, since they can't deport him. MI5 could often harass ordinary muslims who travel to muslim countries and threaten them with all kinds of bs to become informants, which could later radicalize them, but they would let few known hate preachers to live free on benefits and openly spread hate. It took them ages to deport Omar Bakri for example. 

But if you would know anything about his past life, before becoming radical, he was a westernized drunken Brit who studied law and medicine and didn't isolate himself to '"muslim only" community. So there goes that theory. 

 

Until he fell into the wrong communities in the UK.

I highly recommend you watch the (liberal) Vice documentaries on youtube about radical UK communities of Muslims, I think you'd actually gain perspective on what we're talking about in this thread about "forming nations within nations".

 

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5 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

Until he fell into the wrong communities in the UK.

I highly recommend you watch the (liberal) Vice documentaries on youtube about radical UK communities of Muslims, I think you'd actually gain perspective on what we're talking about in this thread about "forming nations within nations".

 

 

 

Until he got introduced to al-Muhajiroon group. I know about all those people, don't worry. 

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People need to integrate. 

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8 hours ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

Well we don't really have polls within these segregated communities to support your claim, do we?

 

Extremism can come from anywhere, if you want to talk about ISIS today radicalization works mostly online, no matter where the person lives. Most 'modern' 'westernized' 'assimilated' muslims have been living criminal life underground and one day decided to join a group who does similar acts of crime on a bigger scale. 

That has nothing to do with what we were just talking about tho. You were criticizing only one group for things you can find in others too.

If you want to talk about terrorism, that's a different subject and not really related. 

 

It's not that difficult to find polls that Jews support gay marriage the most in the USA

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10 hours ago, OmgSum1Actually said:

He isn't lying...

Most of them want to be accepted but do not want to accept others in their country. It's not all muslims,  but it's a very commonly occuring value in their culture

This couldnt be more true

As a gay muslim myself Its hard to face acceptance within acceptance

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8 hours ago, ryanripley said:

watch it and weep sis, i'm only listing you facts  

Not ****ing Ben Shapiro  

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7 hours ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

This is my last reply on this topic. I love how you islamophobes love to circle-jerk with these videos, but these things are not new... hirsi ali was proven to be a liar, you might wanna do some research on her

http://www.alternet.org/media/anti-islam-author-ayaan-hirsi-alis-latest-deception

It's currently popular in America to talk **** about muslims and islam and this woman makes good money out of sheep like you. 

 

You'd think with the internet age we're living in these kids would be better informed.

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You guys always fail to remain on topic. Islamophobia really? Not every criticism laid on a religious group's cultural presence is a product of bigotry, especially when it causes disruptions.

First of all, these aren't local Muslims. They are immigrants. They also happen to be Muslims who are enforcing their traditionally Islamic way of life on the local communities. They are not necessarily culturally equivalent to local ones. 

Their motives aren't malicious. They just want to live the way they did back home, as regressive as it was. They aren't to blame. but their actions are running counter to the European plan to integrate them into their society. They are standing apart rather than together.

What's happening is that, like most cultural or ethnic groups, Muslims are grouping up together rather than integrating with the more or less homogeneous populations of Europe. While there are many subcultures in Europe as well, they aren't as distinct as American ones. The USA prides itself on multiculturalism, supposedly. Europe doesn't. 

So what's happening here is that this particular instance is something new to them. Muslims are grouping together into communities, and forming their own rules within their own groups.

Think Native Americans being allowed to have their own "laws", but are still held accountable under American law. But, unlike Native Americans, these people don't have permission to do that. They are supposed to integrate into the culture, not stand apart from it. 

But yeah...keep talking about islamophobia as if that's what's being discussed here, as opposed to multiculturalism and the clashing of cultures.

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This makes me distrust Muslim immigrants rather than just Muslims.

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15 hours ago, ryanripley said:

watch it and weep sis, i'm only listing you facts  

when ben shapiro is posted all i ever see in response are head shakes or eye rolls but never any actual arguments against his points  interesting

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3 hours ago, Luiz said:

when ben shapiro is posted all i ever see in response are head shakes or eye rolls but never any actual arguments against his points  interesting

It's like asking why are there simply simply eye rolls and head shakes towards Ken Ham. Some people are just beyond reproach, expending the energy to "debate" them is just pointless