LG5 might be a bigger disappointment than ARTPOP

[Bette Davis 12,742]

How is it harder today? The standards for pop music have plummeted. Just turn on the radio and try not to vomit. People are thirsty (whether they realize it or not) for a game changer and talent.

Also there is no way she will ever release an album as sloppy as ARTPOP again. She was dragged to hell for it and totally learned from it.

[eifulien 2,961]

8 hours ago, VenusAsABoy said:

Stop. ARTPOP strayed away from its vision. The more you listen to it, the more you'll realize it's an album meant to mock everybody including herself.

LG5 is more carefully thought out than everything she has done

Could you explain your view more thoroughly. I found it very interesting so I'd appreciate it to hear more on that. 

To all the guys that defend ARTPOP's musical content and blame it on promotion - please help me understand what was so bad about the album promo cycle? (it's a genuine question, not a flamebait) I remember her appearing on so many shows and events in 2013. She was everywhere basically. I think she did her job right, even though she didn't spark interest in her work. Was promo for previous albums better?  I just can't imagine a singer doing much more than she did - VMAs, magazine covers, morning shows, night shows, Muppets, exhibitions, etc. The only legit promo fail was the release G.U.Y. She dropped the video and just let it die. That was the only bad promo job imo. The rest had to do with managerial issues I believe. At least the app, the singles changes, the unreleased DWUW all harmed the album promo but it wasn't the lack of promotion that hampered the campaign, which I believe was quite heavy. Discuss, please! @NathanAngelis @PaperIz  @keith ink @Tom Hardy 

To the OP: I think those fans who are expecting her to return to TF/M style are in for the biggest meltdown. Judging by her albums so far, I've come to expect her to always be different. 

7 hours ago, CoCo1 said:

Oh no it's genuinely a very weak album outside of a couple of songs. The production is largely a brickwall of lowbrow EDM beats and is shockingly amateurish in parts to the point of sounding like first draft demos, the mixing is completely abhorrent and dissonant, there's very little lyrical content or thematic exploration or coherence to the record as a whole, her vocal delivery is really dry on most of the songs.. I can go on lol. And that's not to mention that she broke no new creative grounds either although it could still have been a good album without that. The only way one could be blind to all of this and really believe that people don't like it because it didn't sell millions of copies is if they have an extremely limited musical frame of reference and live in a bubble of pop forums, no offence 

As for the OP, there's always the chance an album can disappoint but you shouldn't let the self-perpetuating drama generated by the "meltdowns" on this forum dampen your expectations for the album. Yes, she looked like a mess with her fillers the other day, and yes we've had no updates on the album in quite a while, but none of that really means anything. What we do know is that she's in a better place personally than she's been in since the start of her career and that she's got a newfound focus on vocals and authenticity in her music. That doesn't mean the album will be amazing but there's no way in hell it will be worse than ARTPOP lol

Your post is valid and absolutely wrong at the same time.  You do bring valid criticism of ARTPOP's weaknesses but also serve a very flat superficial view on the album's theme sounding like someone from the GP was given the task to evaluate the album.

1) ARTPOP is a big improvement over BTW when it comes to the quality of the recording process. Sure, it's a very loud album but a lot of work was put into creating the flow, the beats, etc. It's not cohesive like TFM and it is quite diverse lyrically, also channelling various genres but it flows very well as a loud electronic "story" (even with the "crash"  that is Dope).

2) Yes, ARTPOP is not an album where she shines with vocals. She always has some songs on her albums that performed live prove her singing talent, but on her albums in general she's had somewhat limited time to showcase vocals. ARTPOP, wasn't as a radical departure as BTW was. So yeah, creatively it was not necessarily new for her, it was a return to the theme of The Fame, but she gave a more introspective, personal view on it, also trying to explain what she's been about all this time. 

3) There are plenty of people who wouldn't question ARTPOP's quality if it had the sales, which is truly sad, but many here know the reasons for this lie in a very different place.

4) Overall you've either failed to get the context of the album or just decided to ignore it. Gaga has stated numerous times ARTPOP demonstrates immaturity on purpose. She has admitted it has been dumbed down while still bringing up important points and topics. She makes a very bold statement with a seemingly flat and simple pop music. And that's where her genius is with this album in my opinion. No one else in pop is capable to execute such a twist. It's a firm continuation of the firm statement Pop music is not low-brow. And she ultimately requests on the album freedom through her passion and her pain. And for me it's even more amazing than BTW's freedom cause because she manages to pull this through with the opposite approach in the music.

Now before you drag me, I'm not saying it's perfect. ARTPOP is not the album with which you stay in the industry for a logn time. But most mishaps during the era are outside the music, honestly. Maybe exploring the concept was doomed and flawed by design. One thing is undeniable - too much happens on the album to be deemed as a flop, ordinary pop, boring and low quality.

So, LG5 could be a bigger disappointment than ARTPOP commercially, musically, etc. However, it is not likely. I hope it will be a music less reliant on a concept in order to be understood. The music should be capable to speak for itself on its own. ARTPOP was charming but also too ambitious of a project heavily relying on things outside the songs which were not under Gaga's full control. 

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7 hours ago, CoCo1 said:

Oh no it's genuinely a very weak album outside of a couple of songs. The production is largely a brickwall of lowbrow EDM beats and is shockingly amateurish in parts to the point of sounding like first draft demos, the mixing is completely abhorrent and dissonant, there's very little lyrical content or thematic exploration or coherence to the record as a whole, her vocal delivery is really dry on most of the songs.. I can go on lol. And that's not to mention that she broke no new creative grounds either although it could still have been a good album without that. The only way one could be blind to all of this and really believe that people don't like it because it didn't sell millions of copies is if they have an extremely limited musical frame of reference and live in a bubble of pop forums, no offence 

As for the OP, there's always the chance an album can disappoint but you shouldn't let the self-perpetuating drama generated by the "meltdowns" on this forum dampen your expectations for the album. Yes, she looked like a mess with her fillers the other day, and yes we've had no updates on the album in quite a while, but none of that really means anything. What we do know is that she's in a better place personally than she's been in since the start of her career and that she's got a newfound focus on vocals and authenticity in her music. That doesn't mean the album will be amazing but there's no way in hell it will be worse than ARTPOP lol

 

damn, you schooled them hoes

[Bradley 59,091]

@Son of ARTPOP

Applause had good promotion.

Where is the Do What U Want music video? Releasing it at the proper time could have pushed it into the top 10.

As you correctly pointed out, G.U.Y. was left unpromoted.

Also Gaga seemed to be trying to perform every song on every show. I think she shouldn't have performed so much of Dope, Venus and Gypsy and focus more on Applause, Do What U Want and G.U.Y.

Like she was supposed to perform G.U.Y. on Jimmy Fallon, she could've performed Applause instead of Gypsyon SNL, she could've sung the acoustic version of DWUW instead of Gypsy in Japan (Sukkiri). DWUW was excluded from SXSW Festival, she performed Dope at the YouTube Music Awards instead of Do What U Want which was the current single at that time.

All these combined efforts could've produced a fourth or even fifth single.

[ViviLittleM 3]

9 hours ago, Tom Hardy said:

Cheek to Cheek, a JAZZ album, sold 600,000 copies in the US alone.

700k actually

[ViviLittleM 3]

Gaga will show her real voice with real instruments on this album, i'm so ready

[MaryJaneHolland 77,348]

Delete it fat 

She works with RedOne, Nile Rodgers and Mark Ronson, how the **** can it be a disappointment?? However, we should keep our expectations low.

 

[Cheap thrills 1,282]

9 hours ago, Tom Hardy said:

I feel bad for you. You're missing out so much from the album, which is a really good one.

People act like they didn't enojoy ARTPOP when we all know they were secretly dancing along to it and then they feel it's ok to bash gaga just because the album didn't have great commercial success 

[Pearly 1,008]

I realy dont get why ARTPOP is so under rated, its realy a beautiful album you can dive into and get inspired by.

 

[darkvenusian 88]

9 hours ago, Regiment said:

 

Shove it up yours. It will glide like a water drop in a cave.

idk why i see you around the forum always spreading negativity towards anyone.

do you have fun like this? 

[iAstroLeo 14,424]

ARTPOP "flopped" because hating on Gaga was cool back then. The media did everything they could to destroy her, the radios refused to play the singles. There was nothing Gaga could do to help ARTPOP, she did everything she can. The music wasn't the problem, it was the reception that was. It was deemed to flop even before it was released. 

[xdeki666 245]

ARTPOP was a dissapointment ?? 

[JaneTheC 3,726]

[Dominic 11,922]

It won't be as big of a dissapointed as ARTPOP.  Commercially and sonically ARTPOP failed.  Some of the music didn't even feel like Gaga but that would be because she was given the instrumental to work with rather than craft it herself.  

It was a rushed effort with a complete lack of direction and theme other than 'ARTPOP could mean anything'...  

Sure there are definitely some great tracks but realistically the album as a whole isn't groundbreaking or fresh considering a majority sounds dated already. 

I'm hopeful for LG5,  I feel as though Gaga has gone back to her craft and has learned a lot these past few years.

[leecy 1,476]

Queen of meltdown