Sanders Campaign Manager: Hillary's Foreign Policy Caused ISIS

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2 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

How is this a low blow? It's actually embarrassingly accurate. ISIS was in fact created by US foreign policy, and Clinton backed/was the face of that foreign policy campaign every step of the way and that's just fact...

 

1 minute ago, Brainiac said:

I don't see how calling Hillary out on her lack of judgement when it comes to the War in Iraq is a low blow. That is a legitimate fact that should be pointed out.

Omg omg Lawd I'm not American, I don't know about it's history of foreign policy sorry 

To me the title was just a bit shocking, saying that Hilary created ISIS was just a bit draw dropping. But if it's true sorry for the mistake 

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5 minutes ago, Brainiac said:

I don't see how calling Hillary out on her lack of judgement when it comes to the War in Iraq is a low blow. That is a legitimate fact that should be pointed out.

Stooooopp pinning it on her when it was Bush/Cheney administration that started the Iraq War. Her voting on it is irrelevant. It wasn't her plan, and considering the outcome, it would have passed even if she didn't support it. It was the American dream at that point, as vengeance for 9/11. Blame zealous America being influenced by Republican rhetoric, not Hillary solely.

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Just now, En_Sabah_Nur said:

Oh please!!!  U guys blame her when she voted on certain things & when she didn't vote on certain things.  On one hand you blame her for ACTUALLY voting for the Iraq war(which many democrats did at the time), and then on the other hand you blame her for supporting all these trade deals, even though she had no vote in most of them at the time.  But supported them from a far through her husband as First Lady.  Then when she actually got in the senate & voted AGAINST trade deals such as CAFTA.  You guys conveniently leave that out & never mention it.  Hmmmmmm, I wonder why????!  Smh

I'm not sure who the "you guys" is that you're referring to. I'm my own person and have my own thoughts and opinions separate of any group you're trying to lump me into. No one is talking about votes on trade deals right now. That's a discussion for another thread. I'm talking about her lack of judgement when it comes to foreign policy regarding the war in Iraq. Bernie knew EXACTLY what was going to happen. That wasn't just a coincidence. Proof can be seen here: 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

Well in a similar vein, why should we elect a president who has never had a part in anything major?

I don't follow your logic. You can't smear Hillary's record when Sanders has none of his own to compare to, especially when you choose to ignore the positive things she's accomplished.

Oh and she had a part in it. She didn't cause it. A more accurate statement would have been "she sided with the war that eventually led to ISIS". It's also a very irrelevant comment to make alongside his other accusations. Using the word "ISIS" in conjunction with her is pretty desperate.

It's all I'm saying.

I love how Hillary supporters think that her being elected/appointed into higher office is an accomplishment. Her time spent in the senate and as SoS we're disasters and she had absolutely nothing to show from her time in those offices other than total failure and lies to the American public.

 

1 minute ago, LebaneseDude said:

 Responsibilities as Secretary of State entail issues of FAR greater discretion and impact.

Yeah and do you think she wax actually a successful SoS?! More democracies fell during her tenure than ANY other 4 year time span, her nation-building led to awful leaders like Maliki to rise to power and create ISIS, her incompetence led to 5 Americans and an Ambassador to be killed in Libya, then she lied about it and said it wasn't a terrorist attack they weren't prepared for, then she resigned in shame 3 months later. Hillary Clinton was one of the worst secretaries of state we've had in a generation and you tout it as her unique qualification over Sanders?! 

Buddy I absolutely hate Bernie and his policies and socialism in America, but to support Clinton over him...

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

Just now, Brainiac said:

 

 

 

He's so passionate 

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Just now, LebaneseDude said:

The point is he's never engaged in anything outside the scope of Senator of Vermont. You're comparing two entirely different careers that have had different scopes. Don't smear Hillary's track record as a Secretary of State or First Lady even (like what) and compare it to Sander's senator history as if that's comparable. Hell if you said he accomplished more as a Senator, I would not disagree. Of course him being a Senator for 3x the duration has something to do with it.

LOL Hillary does not have a devastating track record. Stop dramatizing. You can literally count her major ****ups in one hand. Why are you ignoring all the good **** she's done? I give those far more weight, as I would if Bernie was in the same position.

Considering he's never had to exercise his diplomacy outside of easy-going white Vermont, I want to see this for myself so I can get a chuckle.

He hasnt had the platform...but he has always voiced his views....views which now are universally viewed as the better more humane choice after the fact. Hillary DOES have a devastating track record, and the fact that you actually CAN count on one hand her major f*** ups is reason enough! The bad is weighted war more at the scale of American government...especially to be president. That's like saying oh John Doe murdered someone but let's pay attention to the fact that he rescued a dog from a shelter!

Hillary was once just a senator too dude, this is completely irrelevant. She was given her chance, and F**ked up too many times.

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1 minute ago, LebaneseDude said:

Stooooopp pinning it on her when it was Bush/Cheney administration that started the Iraq War. Her voting on it is irrelevant. It wasn't her plan, and considering the outcome, it would have passed even if she didn't support it. It was the American dream at that point, as vengeance for 9/11.

How is it irrelevant? It shows her lack of judgement when it comes to foreign policy!

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2 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

I love how Hillary supporters think that her being elected/appointed into higher office is an accomplishment. Her time spent in the senate and as SoS we're disasters and she had absolutely nothing to show from her time in those offices other than total failure and lies to the American public.

 

Yeah and do you think she wax actually a successful SoS?! More democracies fell during her tenure than ANY other 4 year time span, her nation-building led to awful leaders like Maliki to rise to power and create ISIS, her incompetence led to 5 Americans and an Ambassador to be killed in Libya, then she lied about it and said it wasn't a terrorist attack they weren't prepared for, then she resigned in shame 3 months later. Hillary Clinton was one of the worst secretaries of state we've had in a generation and you tout it as her unique qualification over Sanders?! 

Buddy I absolutely hate Bernie and his policies and socialism in America, but to support Clinton over him...

Why are you blaming the failures of the globe on her 

What democracies have fallen? ...The Arab Spring? That was inevitable. You think the USA has the power to fix the world or something? Hahaha I lived in the Middle East. **** will blow up whether you like it or not.

You are generalizing her performance as Secretary by quoting ISIS (reaching) and Beghanzi (exonerated) while ignoring everything else. Dude come on lol

I get you don't like her but don't resort to extreme viewpoints. I can see why people might dislike her. I totally get it. It's about idealism vs pragmatism or in your case, complete success over failure. Which brings the point...have any of your preferred candidates been supremely successful in everything they've done? 

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One thing that Sanders and Clinton stans can agree on:

New York finna be Juicy and Messy. And I can't wait.

[MJHolland 12,725]

5 minutes ago, Brainiac said:

Hey I actually agree with you on something for once! 

Hillary Clinton for bringing people together though hating her incompetence 2k16!!!!111!!!1111111

 

3 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

It's a low blow because it's something that the entirety of the USA is ashamed of, not Hillary herself. 

It's a low blow because it's a fellow democrat saying this, as opposed to the GOP.

I mean, I know the GOP is currently tearing each other a new one, but the Democrats are known for being less aggressive. This is something the GOP would do.

The campaign manager equated Hillary to the rise of ISIS just as much as she equated Sanders (herself!) to the Sand Hook tragedy.

Putting aside the fact that Hillary's foreign policy had a lot more to do with the rise of ISIS that Sanders senate vote had to do with the Sandy Hook massacre (not related at all tbh), I didn't see you calling what she said a low blow, m8...

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2 minutes ago, Brainiac said:

How is it irrelevant? It shows her lack of judgement when it comes to foreign policy!

This one instance shows lack of judgement? ... 

Do you honestly expect her to have a crystal ball or something? Sometimes people make mistakes, even politicians.

At least she has experience.

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1 minute ago, LebaneseDude said:

Why are you blaming the failures of the globe on her 

What democracies have fallen? ...The Arab Spring? That was inevitable. You think the USA has the power to fix the world or something? Hahaha I lived in the Middle East. **** will blow up whether you like it or not.

You are generalizing her performance as Secretary by quoting ISIS (reaching) and Beghanzi (exonerated) while ignoring everything else. Dude come on lol

What is "everything else"??? I can name more Hillary failure than you can Hillary accomplishments and that's a damn fact. She made every wrong call as a Senator, and she made every wrong call as SoS.

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1 minute ago, MJHolland said:

Hillary Clinton for bringing people together though hating her incompetence 2k16!!!!111!!!1111111

 

The campaign manager equated Hillary to the rise of ISIS just as much as she equated Sanders (herself!) to the Sand Hook tragedy.

Putting aside the fact that Hillary's foreign policy had a lot more to do with the rise of ISIS that Sanders senate vote had to do with the Sandy Hook massacre (not related at all tbh), I didn't see you calling what she said a low blow, m8...

Yas bringing people together. 

I know. I hated the Sandy Hook thing. 

It was a low blow on both parts. The problem is this carries far more significance. 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

Just now, MJHolland said:

I can name more Hillary failure than you can Hillary accomplishments and that's a damn fact. 

Do it.

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