Azealia Banks wants Iggy to commit Suicide

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11 hours ago, Himeros26 said:

Hole up sis

She does have talent. But she got a bad ass little attitude, and is incredibly ignorant and arrogant. "I try not to listen because problematic," a dear friend summed up beautifully but girl if chasing time starts playin I become a slave to the music. I hate the puta tho.

yeah I hope she ends up in hell burning all day and night long 

[LoveandMagic 1,731]

Eh, here's how I see the situation.

First off, in their tweets I don't think Iggy or Azealia are literally wanting death on the other person. I think Iggy probably feels bullied by her, and I think Azealia sees Iggy as representative of all she hates in the industry.

Here's my take:

You have Azealia Banks who is a black female rapper. By being black, she has probably faced some real racism in her life. By being a female rapper, in a musical genre that is already really tough to make a name in, she has probably faced more than her share of sexism and harassment. She has a lot of talent and drive, and she knows this. She works hard to make a name for herself. Suddenly she starts getting comparisons to another rapper with a similar name. Another rapper she considers far inferior in talent. She likely thinks Iggy got a much easier hand in the industry because she is a beautiful blonde, white woman with a really nice derriere that she likes to show off. She's probably also upset that so early in Iggy's career she blew up and became a mainstream name. She sees Iggy is from another culture and country, using words and phrases that can be considered at best mildly culturally insensitive, and speaking in a false accent. I think because of this Azealia unloads a lot of her frustrations on Iggy, and makes her her scapegoat for what she is pissed off most about in the industry. I think that's why she enjoys bullying her and messing with her so much, it's a way for her to vent and unload. I don't think she really wants to kill Iggy, but I think she definitely despises her.

For Iggy's part, I don't dislike Iggy (I'm actually hoping she makes a come back). I think Iggy is a sweet, misguided individual who is trying to make it in a genre she doesn't really fit into. I think she genuinely likes rap music and enjoys making hip-pop and is relatively harmless. But she is trying to make it in a genre that is very hard, and incredibly critical, and one in which women have it much tougher. The rap game is extremely cruel to most of it's players, people can really hit below the belt. That doesn't seem to be Iggy's style, which both speaks well of her yet makes her seem weak. All I hear from Iggy's music is about sex and bragging. She doesn't really seem to go for anyone, nor be comfortable being on the attack. Sure, she makes tweets and stuff, but it feels like she is play acting. It's not that I don't think she can't get angry or defensive at times, but it feels a lot like the little kid on the playground who boasts a lot or talks smack, until some bigger person makes a comment and then they back off. She doesn't seem like an aggressive person at all. I think when she entered the industry, she had an idea what it would be like and watched others and took their lead and is just going through the motions. She's not "hard" which makes her an easy target because the genre is full of people who will get into her face and test her. Iggy seems like kind of gentle person, which I actually like, but that's not the kind that will fit in. I think that also frustrates Azealia, because she thinks Iggy is all talk and is a total fake and should never had made it this far.

As for Iggy's past tweets, yeah, they are pretty offensive. However, knowing what I know about her past (that she's an immigrant high school drop out), she probably was influenced by all the rappers she hung out with, and thought that because they acted like it was okay for her to say these things (in fact, T.I. seemed to encourage it with the "runaway slave master" line) she thought it was okay. Then when she started getting flack for it, T.I. and her group probably convinced her it was just people hating on her because they were jealous of her. Some of those tweets look like posturing to me. It's probably her watching others doing it and wanting to seem "bad" and fit in. I really wish Iggy could find a way to make the type of music she wants without having to try to fit herself into a genre that doesn't seem a match for her. That's not be saying rap music can't be very positive, supportive, and uplifting; but you also have a whole lot of individuals in it that expect a certain degree of toughness (I mean, how many rappers brag about doing hard time, or talk about torturing and murdering anyone that looks sideways). And how many times do you hear about fighting outside the studio or at award shows, etc. All aspects of the industry are really tough, but I think rap is the hardest industry to fit in at. It's not that everyone has to act like criminals or thugs, but you have to show a lot of genuine confidence (not just bragging) and that you are able to really stand up for yourself, and hold your own with yourself and your work. I know I'm not explaining it well.  It's just not the same type of genre that pop is, which I think Iggy is much more suited for and would find the most happiness and acceptance with. 

I honestly don't hate either of them (hell, I own both their debuts). Mainly because I think I can see why both think and behave the way they do. They both got into the industry relatively young, and struggled in different ways, and don't have quite the same grounded world view that some of us may have. I'm sure they remember their struggles and what it was like being "nobodies," but they've also both spent many years having their every words make headlines and having plenty of money in the bank, lots of fans and hanger ons in their ears telling them all sorts of things that may not be the most beneficial for them to hear. I'm not excusing any bad behavior of course, but I can kind of understand some of it.

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@LoveandMagic i think what you said was spot-on for both ends. 

[Kayla 7,595]

3 hours ago, LoveandMagic said:

Eh, here's how I see the situation.

First off, in their tweets I don't think Iggy or Azealia are literally wanting death on the other person. I think Iggy probably feels bullied by her, and I think Azealia sees Iggy as representative of all she hates in the industry.

Here's my take:

You have Azealia Banks who is a black female rapper. By being black, she has probably faced some real racism in her life. By being a female rapper, in a musical genre that is already really tough to make a name in, she has probably faced more than her share of sexism and harassment. She has a lot of talent and drive, and she knows this. She works hard to make a name for herself. Suddenly she starts getting comparisons to another rapper with a similar name. Another rapper she considers far inferior in talent. She likely thinks Iggy got a much easier hand in the industry because she is a beautiful blonde, white woman with a really nice derriere that she likes to show off. She's probably also upset that so early in Iggy's career she blew up and became a mainstream name. She sees Iggy is from another culture and country, using words and phrases that can be considered at best mildly culturally insensitive, and speaking in a false accent. I think because of this Azealia unloads a lot of her frustrations on Iggy, and makes her her scapegoat for what she is pissed off most about in the industry. I think that's why she enjoys bullying her and messing with her so much, it's a way for her to vent and unload. I don't think she really wants to kill Iggy, but I think she definitely despises her.

For Iggy's part, I don't dislike Iggy (I'm actually hoping she makes a come back). I think Iggy is a sweet, misguided individual who is trying to make it in a genre she doesn't really fit into. I think she genuinely likes rap music and enjoys making hip-pop and is relatively harmless. But she is trying to make it in a genre that is very hard, and incredibly critical, and one in which women have it much tougher. The rap game is extremely cruel to most of it's players, people can really hit below the belt. That doesn't seem to be Iggy's style, which both speaks well of her yet makes her seem weak. All I hear from Iggy's music is about sex and bragging. She doesn't really seem to go for anyone, nor be comfortable being on the attack. Sure, she makes tweets and stuff, but it feels like she is play acting. It's not that I don't think she can't get angry or defensive at times, but it feels a lot like the little kid on the playground who boasts a lot or talks smack, until some bigger person makes a comment and then they back off. She doesn't seem like an aggressive person at all. I think when she entered the industry, she had an idea what it would be like and watched others and took their lead and is just going through the motions. She's not "hard" which makes her an easy target because the genre is full of people who will get into her face and test her. Iggy seems like kind of gentle person, which I actually like, but that's not the kind that will fit in. I think that also frustrates Azealia, because she thinks Iggy is all talk and is a total fake and should never had made it this far.

As for Iggy's past tweets, yeah, they are pretty offensive. However, knowing what I know about her past (that she's an immigrant high school drop out), she probably was influenced by all the rappers she hung out with, and thought that because they acted like it was okay for her to say these things (in fact, T.I. seemed to encourage it with the "runaway slave master" line) she thought it was okay. Then when she started getting flack for it, T.I. and her group probably convinced her it was just people hating on her because they were jealous of her. Some of those tweets look like posturing to me. It's probably her watching others doing it and wanting to seem "bad" and fit in. I really wish Iggy could find a way to make the type of music she wants without having to try to fit herself into a genre that doesn't seem a match for her. That's not be saying rap music can't be very positive, supportive, and uplifting; but you also have a whole lot of individuals in it that expect a certain degree of toughness (I mean, how many rappers brag about doing hard time, or talk about torturing and murdering anyone that looks sideways). And how many times do you hear about fighting outside the studio or at award shows, etc. All aspects of the industry are really tough, but I think rap is the hardest industry to fit in at. It's not that everyone has to act like criminals or thugs, but you have to show a lot of genuine confidence (not just bragging) and that you are able to really stand up for yourself, and hold your own with yourself and your work. I know I'm not explaining it well.  It's just not the same type of genre that pop is, which I think Iggy is much more suited for and would find the most happiness and acceptance with. 

I honestly don't hate either of them (hell, I own both their debuts). Mainly because I think I can see why both think and behave the way they do. They both got into the industry relatively young, and struggled in different ways, and don't have quite the same grounded world view that some of us may have. I'm sure they remember their struggles and what it was like being "nobodies," but they've also both spent many years having their every words make headlines and having plenty of money in the bank, lots of fans and hanger ons in their ears telling them all sorts of things that may not be the most beneficial for them to hear. I'm not excusing any bad behavior of course, but I can kind of understand some of it.

Hit the nail on the head! 

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21 hours ago, VampireHeart said:

 

It's not a joke, she was serious. You said no matter how awful person is, no one deserves that.

I can't believe you're saying it's ok if it's behind her back?

If one is horrible for wishing death, the other one is too.

What if that fan's manager was suicidal too? And he goes and tells her: "Iggy hired me and she has a message for you bitch, go and die!"

They are either both bad or none of them is. 

 

You don't know if she was. That turn of phrase is ambiguous.

It's not so much that it was behind her back (although, like it or not, behind the back doesn't hurt), it's that it wasn't said directly to her. I just think context and intention is the biggest thing in deciding if something is a joke and Iggy's is clearly in the joke category. That doesn't mean you have to think it's funny or acceptable, but it's said without seriousness. Now, Azealia isn't seriously wishing death on Iggy either but her intention is definitely serious as she knows Iggy and has a vendetta against her, so she said this really intending offence. Iggy does not personally know the person in question and therefore holds no vendetta and might not even what the person to see it, so the intention is just lighthearted.

Granted, yes, the manager could have been suicidal too, but even if so, Iggy wasn't to know  and wouldn't be directly responsible for anything that followed. But Iggy opened up about having sucicidal thoughts when Azealia said what she did. It's one thing saying something when you didn't know what was going on in someone's head, quite another if they opened up about it. What makes Iggy's better is that she likely added that phrase at the end without really thinking, we've all done that at one point. But Azealia put thought into what she said. For the record, if the situations were reversed and Azealia had offered a fan a job, I would have said she did a nice thing and would have also excused the "go die" comment, even from her, because context and intention are different.

17 hours ago, Kayla said:

The "inherent racism" I reference is definitely a USA thing that perhaps carries over to other cultures, but I don't know for sure. Know that I do see your compassion and understanding coming through in your posts; I don't think you are racist at all. I was mostly referring to aspects of your statements which could exhibit a bit of a "racist" undertone (referring specifically to the black fans, which you later clarified, calling them "blacks," etc.) And perhaps those are only things that raise a red flag in America- usually the type of people who call them "blacks" collectively don't have positive things to say (but at least "blacks" is better than using "coloreds"....).

In America the words people use to talk about race issues can be indicators of how they really feel deep down about said issues. And I think where you're from some of those words and ways of speaking aren't as good of indicators of where you really stand.
In America, you sometimes have to read between the lines to 'spot the racist,' since of course people aren't open about being racist. People here will literally talk about how lazy their 'colored' co-workers are, how black fathers are irresponsible, and how blacks and whites shouldn't marry, but then insist that they're "not racist" and "don't have a problem with black people as a whole."
So some of your word choices and criticisms would be a red flag to an American talking about race issues, but that's just us being paranoid.

Yes, because certain Americans can be literally "raised" on racism because there are still a large number of places in the deep south and out west where there are very traditional, fundamentally Christian, close minded people who do enforce terrible messages to their children, consciously or subconsciously. So, I understand where a lot of that inherent racism can come from. But Britain doesn't have that culture. People like that are extremely rare because we've modernised and moved on about certain things in a way that a lot of Americans haven't (strong focus on religion, 50's racism, cutting yourself off from the outside world outwith your small town, etc). We're more about classism than racism. A man who perfectly explained how things are different in brilliant is the hilarious comedian, Reginald D. Hunter, originally from Georgia, who's been living here for a while now. This clip so accurately describes us and I love him for even giving us redheads a shout-out for the mistreatment we have, even if it was tongue in cheek:

I totally get what you're saying about using the term "blacks" collectively but I never mean it in that way. Notice that, apart from this very rare occasion, I always precede it with "some" or "a small number of." I'm always careful to never imply it's all of them. Indeed, your language can be a good indicator of the way you really feel in America but in Britain, it's not as easy as that. What we struggle with is deciding what's the "correct" term to use now and some people a bit more behind that others or are trying to be PC and failing. Plenty of people here still say coloured but don't mean anything bad by it. They perhaps think it sounds right to them but don't realise it's a bit outdated or think it doesn't sound as serious as "black" so opt for it instead. When I went to London, which has the biggest black population, I remember my aunt was ordering a cup of tea and when asked what she wanted in it, she kinda stumbled and said "I just take it...plain." She later said it was because she was afraid to say "I take it black" in a place where that kind of thing could be taken the wrong way. Thing is, that's a perfectly legit phrase, in Britain anyway! I don't know anyone who would take it badly! But we've reached a point now where we're so terrified of insulting people of colour that we end up saying the wrong thing or being too PC in our efforts to avoid being offensive. Levels of acceptability change, some can't keep up, we don't like the new term even if others do so we use the old one, etc. In Britain, we also have literally different views on race. We see terms like 'African American' to be technically incorrect (we don't see what your race has to do with your nationality and we don't use terms like African to describe blacks) and we certainly don't have the term 'African British.' We also don't view Hispanics as a different race or even so much as an ethnicity in some cases. We may also use terms that don't go over well in America. I always have to stop myself when I go to say "ethnic" because a lot of Americans don't like that now, so I have to say "minority" which I actually don't like as much.

So many Americans are under the illusion that race relations are the same everywhere, that we all handle racism the same way, that minorities suffer from the same stereotypes and problems wherever they are. It's not true. But it seems like wherever we're from, we've got to pretend to be American if the situation is in America (that's why my views can stand out as I'm one of the few Brits responding). And for all we're told to be mindful of non-white cultures, white culture is an acceptable target, apparently.

15 hours ago, Yanko said:

excuses for igloo never run out 

See my response to Vampire Heart. I treat everyone equally, regardless of what some people think.

12 hours ago, babysatan said:

I don't think she should kill herself but I don't get why she's been so surprised by the hate she has received. And tbh, after apologizing she still hasn't really done anything for the black community. With black culture comes black issues, you can't just take the good out of a groups culture.

Why must you do something for the black community just because you choose to sing a style of music that came from them? Should all urban dancers do something for the black community too? Or is this just a music-based thing? Music is about putting your feelings down to a beat. It doesn't follow that you've got to do something for the community that the particular style came from. We seem to expect more of whites when they "invade" on black culture, it seems. I don't know if an Asian or Hispanic rapper would get this level of expectation. And by the way, Iggy did speak out on black issues when Azealia insulted her on Twitter for supposedly not caring when reports came in of the shooting of Michael Brown: http://www.mtv.com/news/2015957/azealia-banks-and-iggy-azalea-exchange-harsh-words-over-black-issues/  Azealia was shocked into silence, surely a first for her. Just because Iggy doesn't feel the need to publicise her feelings about race issues on Twitter (you know, the way we used to function before social media existed) doesn't mean that she doesn't care. Judging by how much she gets criticised, she'd probably fear somebody would take it the wrong way anyway.

9 hours ago, Benji said:

Encouraging people to have pride in themselves? Who exactly do you think you are?

I will choose what I am offended by. I don't need you to decide it for me and I especially don't need you saying I lack empathy and have less pride because I don't agree with you?

I don't mean to be offensive. Just trying to help. Maybe it doesn't always come across that way. But I really mean well.

5 hours ago, LoveandMagic said:

It's not that everyone has to act like criminals or thugs, but you have to show a lot of genuine confidence (not just bragging) and that you are able to really stand up for yourself, and hold your own with yourself and your work. I know I'm not explaining it well.  It's just not the same type of genre that pop is, which I think Iggy is much more suited for and would find the most happiness and acceptance with. 

I really like what you said, though I felt I had to pick up on this bit. I actually think Iggy is very confident. Someone, can't remember who, said that this was probably the reason why a lot of people are turned off by her - they can't stand it when a woman is confident. I can 100% relate to that. People can't wait to silence a confident woman. I was reading up on what Rah Digga said about Iggy not being real hip hop and how Lord Jamar responded to it that. He was commenting on how Iggy went so predictable by saying that it was a shame a woman had to say that because she was trying to take the focus off the real issue and neutralise any other female rappers listening. Here is where we see again how a man tries to make out that women to woman situations don't matter (when us women know exactly what the real deal is) and then has the audacity to say that Iggy was trying to silence people. He also said that she doesn't care if she's categorised as rap or pop because she doesn't care about the music and she would have done anything "until her s**t popped off," even if it was doing pop or being a supermodel (but your ass too big) or making p*rn. And right there, sexist stereotyping - a man wouldn't suggest that about another man. Iggy does have confidence, it's just not the confidence people want to hear. There's so many 'right' and 'wrong' ways to be confident when you're a woman and I'm sick of it.

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On 3/21/2016 at 4:53 AM, Britney Spears said:

Actually I think that she doesn't even deserve support to her music...Who cares if she is talented? Such a trashy person should never get support. Imo she is x100 worse than Chris Brown (even though I don't listen to his music either). Because Chris did a really stupid thing,apologized 100 times and since then hasn't done anything bad (at least publicly)... Azealia on the other hand didn't make a mistake, THIS is her, THIS is her personality

at least ab never beat a ****ing person

defend the misogynist 

[Fiona Apple 13,006]

4 hours ago, holyscheisse said:

at least ab never beat a ****ing person

defend the misogynist 

Did I really support him though ?  What I said is that Chris did something horrible ONCE (Maybe I don't know a lot things about him,but that's all that I've heard of) when on the other hand AB is like that ALL THE TIME,because this is her personality.. I didn't defend any "misogynist".Stop putting words in my mouth

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Azealia Banks ain't gonna happen.

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5 hours ago, Britney Spears said:

Did I really support him though ?  What I said is that Chris did something horrible ONCE (Maybe I don't know a lot things about him,but that's all that I've heard of) when on the other hand AB is like that ALL THE TIME,because this is her personality.. I didn't defend any "misogynist".Stop putting words in my mouth

You're saying that a woman running her mouth is worse than a man beating a woman and getting away with it with his career in tact 

so uh read between your own lines fool

[Fiona Apple 13,006]

1 hour ago, holyscheisse said:

You're saying that a woman running her mouth is worse than a man beating a woman and getting away with it with his career in tact 

so uh read between your own lines fool

My point is that this man did that once..It's obviously a lot worse.But we all do things we are not proud of  He did a REALLY stupid thing once.But he probably changed.. Azealia is a b!tch.This is her and her attitude.She didn't do a mistake..If you don't get my point,you are the fool one

[Paper Gangsta 6,693]

On 22.03.2016. at 3:52 PM, LoveandMagic said:

She likely thinks Iggy got a much easier hand in the industry because she is a beautiful blonde, white woman with a really nice derriere that she likes to show off. She's probably also upset that so early in Iggy's career she blew up and became a mainstream name. 

Funny because when Iggy was negotiated about signing up with Interscope, Azealia trathened Interscope that she doesn't want to be on the same label as Iggy. Look how tables turned. 

Azealia had all aspects to suceed. It's her fault she ruined it

[TerrenceV2 2,001]

hahahahaha I laughed tbh "slave truck" Iggy has a history of being racist so to be quite honest I don't feel bad at all for her.

i'd unstan Azealia but tbh her music is way too good. Sorry not sorry

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4 hours ago, Paper Gangsta said:

Funny because when Iggy was negotiated about signing up with Interscope, Azealia trathened Interscope that she doesn't want to be on the same label as Iggy. Look how tables turned. 

Azealia had all aspects to suceed. It's her fault she ruined it

What does that have to do with shelving someone's album that critically better in sound?

[Paper Gangsta 6,693]

2 minutes ago, Hexxx said:

What does that have to do with shelving someone's album that critically better in sound?

that Azealia tried to make it harder for Iggy but yet Iggy suceeded. It's called a karma

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