Madonnas breakdown, dressed up as a clown

[Schwerk 6,988]

8 hours ago, VampireHeart said:

Is this really her?

 

"With a baby photo of the teen appearing on the big screen, she said in an emotional voice: “I probably would have enjoyed myself a bit more on this tour if he hadn’t have disappeared so suddenly. I’m going to dedicate this song to him.”

So that article about her son was right?

 

Really sad. 

 

I feel for her, but I find it odd she would put his picture up like that for the world to see. It's pretty embarrassing for a teen that doesn't seem to want the spotlight. She ofcourse knows best, but I can't help but feeling things like this will only make matters worse between them.

Hope she takes a break after this tour and focusses on her family and a truly authentic album and less on commercial succes.

[James19709 456]

3 hours ago, Whispering said:

Borderline Personality Disorder? 

Yeah obviously, but she didn't include the word disorder. It led into the song Borderline, but that can't have been a joke really. "I've been accused of a lot of things, but ___ __ (cant make it out) I'm not bipolar, I just have a borderline personality.." and she looked genuinely nervous to say it, and wasn't completely sober either, so I think she really meant it.

[SEVDALIZA 1,274]

2 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

But surely you should realise that if we're getting at Madonna for something, it's because we don't think anything Gaga's done has been on that level (at least I wouldn't)? The Sex book is certainly a big pop culture moment but that doesn't mean we have to like it. I haven't seen all the pictures in it, but I do know that it partitally involved suggestions of bestiality, Madonna peeing in a guy's mouth and even salad tossing. From the images I have seen, most of them I found to be really off-putting. The only one I liked was the one where she's hitchhiking naked. Honestly, I think that's the only image in the book that I thought portrayed a strong woman and strong female sexuality. Everything else is just the old objectification. It wasn't new back then and it isn't new now. I'm against the sex industry purely from a safety standpoint and a compassionate standpoint but that doesn't mean that I don't support sexuality. But I have very particular views about what makes positive sexuality and the Sex book wasn't it, in my opinion. J. Randy Taraborrelli stated that the whole concept of the book was childish and that she just wanted to publish explicit work because she could and that she was "being a brat, not a revolutionary." And that's the way I see it. I just find such public displays of sex to be ironically, immature. Most people who do it just want a reaction or show off how hot they are, it doesn't go any deeper than that. Don't get me wrong, I'm with you on saying that I don't like Anaconda or ABTB either (although ABTB is hardly about sexuality, just celebrating one body type over another) but I find the Sex book on the same level. I find it odd how you think Anaconda isn't empowering but Sex is. I see no difference. I think being sexually submissive has to involve keeping it behind closed doors. Because when it's put out there, it just looks disempowering, even though it maybe wasn't. If you photographed my fantasies and put them out there, they would look degrading. But in the safety of my mind and the boundaries I set means it wasn't. But the rest of the world doesn't know that. Sex can look very black and white when it's visualised and is very easy to look degrading. When it's private, everyone gets it. When it's public, it's harder to understand. That's why I think it's meant to be private.

Maybe she was being controversial for a cause but there's no denying she was doing it to sell as well. Because when her controversial antics stopped selling and threatened her career, she retreated into making vulnerable ballads and dressing pretty and being a responsible wife and mother. And she only stopped doing that when it looked like controversy was primed to make a comeback in music. That's how she's been her entire career - controversial when it suits the time, demure when controversy no longer sells. I notice how Gaga has never stopped being controversial, even when it was no longer fruitful for her. Sure, she's not as wild as she was a while back, but she's never stopped challenging. That's what makes me think that this is just something natural within her, not something she exploits for material gain.

The key to this argument is you willfully forgetting that SEX was shot in 1991 and released in 1992. This fact alone automatically regenerates its' social merit. It takes a lot of balls (pun intended) to do what she did during a more conservative & hidebound society and media.

"If you photographed my fantasies and put them out there, they would look degrading." 

But that's the ultimate goal of the book. Madonna challenged this taboo by systematically demystifying it by putting it under her control, by owning her sexuality and being in charge of the fantasies that she portrayed. There wasn't a man directing and telling her what to do, it was a product of a healthy and sexually active female mind and imagination. I can elaborate endlessly on how Madonna was artistically (Blond Ambition Tour) and Socially (Truth or Dare) ahead of her time, but I assume you're already aware of that, aren't you? SEX was yet another extension of her revolutionary road. The imagery being far too radical for your eyes to handle is understandable, but to argue that the book was an unavailing project is just delusional. The conversations and discussions it sparked alone is a feat on its own. The book received overwhelmingly negative feedback upon its release, but as time went on, the praise towards it grew and is now considered a bold, post-feminist, work of art. That speaks volumes about how socially ahead of its time it was. In the very first page of the book there's a paragraph dedicated to explain that the book takes place in a perfect world where sexually transmitted diseases don't exist, therefore, a lot of the imagery that you'll witness there only lives in Madonna's sexual masquerade, not in her reality. There's a fine line between presenting something and endorsing it. The book also broke social barriers by showcasing gay / lesbian imagery, using Madonna, a mainstream figure, to the masses.

You see no difference between SEX, "All About That Bass" and "Anaconda" ? oh come the **** on. Unlike SEX, these songs serve and glorify the power and domination of men.

"My anaconda don't want none unless you got buns, hun"

"Boys like a little more booty to hold at night" 

These lyrics are clearly centered around what seems to be the approval of men. Now, this, for instance, is degrading for women everywhere. The contrast could not be any more fundamentally clear.

You're correct, Bedtime Stories was a more mellow, R&B and balladry approach, but she did not retreat  the singles of that era were fairly ballsy as well :

The lyrics show that even though Madonna has moved on from her previous era, she's far from being regretful and released this song as a big "**** you" to everyone. The video was a satirical depiction of sex, meant to ridicule the taboos that several societies place on the subject. 

Also : 

"dressing pretty and being a responsible wife and mother" my ass.

"notice how Gaga has never stopped being controversial, even when it was no longer fruitful for her" 

 what?

She did not even experience 10% of the Erotica backlash and she went on this whole campaign to heal her image, she became an artist that predominantly contributes nothing new artistically, but instead relies on covering jazz standards for more than 2 years, having a drastic change in a sense that her fashion (!!!) has become utterly inoffensive. You're absolutely wrong. In a sense, the C2C era was very much like Madonna's Evita era. They both served the divas a long, well deserved break from pop culture and all its pressure, even though Gaga's backlash was incomparable to Madonna's and came a lot earlier in her career. So again, you're wrong on this one, sorry honey, but as artists, they both essentially share the same pattern.

If you don't believe me, here, take a look at Madonna talking about her Evita era and what it meant to her, it's almost crazy how identical she sounds to how Gaga spoke about her Jazz era :

 

[James19709 456]

2 hours ago, LoveandMagic said:

Wow, I didn't realize she was struggling so hard with her personal life. I'm guessing the divorce ended pretty badly? I noticed that the woman Guy is with is much younger...that probably doesn't feel to good. She and Lourdes seemed pretty close, and now she's away, and Rocco won't come home. Has she and Rocco ever had a close relationship? Is it the fact that she tours a lot bothers him, or is it other things? She must be feeling all kinds of loneliness and rejection right now. Hopefully things will get worked out soon.

...They divorced in 2008.

[James19709 456]

2 hours ago, Stitches said:

Karma is a bitch.

It must be sad to literally have no life. Wishing a breakdown on someone just because they shaded another pop artist that you like. Tragic. You mean near enough nothing to the world, that's the difference between you and her.

[James19709 456]

Most people on here talking about Madonna know barely anything about her career. "She played it safe after receving controversy" no, Bedtime Stories definitely had it's defiant moment, that was Human Nature. Something to Remember in 1995 was a ballad compilation with a few new ones because people didn't acknowledge her as somebody who sang great ballads at the time. Yawn at people who speak on things they barely know anything about.

[Hexxx 2,244]

5 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

After this tour wraps up, she needs to start taking her family life into bigger consideration. Kids crave stability and following your mum around on a world tour is not any kid's idea of fun, especially as a teenager. Her younger kids may go this way too in the future if she keeps on touring when they need her. Honestly, if she wants to continue with music, that's one thing, but she should just do a greatest hits tour and then retire from touring. She's had her touring peak, she's not making bank like she used to. Her fans only go to her tours to hear the hits anyway, so she should just give them what they want. I swear she only makes albums these days so that she can tour. Considering that she skipped touring for albums in the past, I don't see why she wants to do one for every album now, when they're not selling like her past efforts. I mean, I don't think anyone else who released RH would be allowed to tour with it because it just didn't sell enough to warrant one.

I don't get why certain members here feel the need to bring Gaga down to make their other faves look better. As a fan of the person whose fan forum you are on, you should defend them, not use them as a negative example in these situations. You don't see other fanbases bringing down their faves like this. Gaga's reasons for her antics always come from a genuine place, she does it because it's how she feels, she doesn't do it for no reason just for attention. I don't recall Gaga ever releasing a book where she's engaging in sex with people, using topless dancers on a tour, turning up to an event completely topless, kissing girls on stage while not being bi, featuring artists young enough to be her children on her songs, etc. Yes, Gaga's had her nudity loving moments too but her moments are strictly limited to smaller, indie publications (that naked bondage shoot) and strictly fan service publications (the Terry Richardson book). Even when she's done borderline public toplessness before, she's always got a thin covering in some form. Madonna on the other hand, is on a whole other level, always has been.

That's the problem, you guys want everyone to be like Lady Gaga!!  Stop comparing them, They're two different ppl. Gaga doesn't have children so how the hell you're gonna pull a "Well gaga doesn't.." HUSH! Everyone deals with pain differerently. Her fans enjoyed the show so let her be

[Quartz 11,923]

If Adele or Ed Sheeran showed a baby picture of their kid or loved one while singing a ballad, everyone will be like, "that is so sweet!" But when Madonna does it, singing a ballad specifically about her son in a time where she might not see her son regularly again in a free show no less, everyone is like, "****ing attention *****, why is she bringing Rocco into this?!?!" People people

[Koreku 2,387]

11 hours ago, Bonkers said:

She's out on tour, I don't get trying to force a 15 year old to live with her when she's not even there.  

It may just be that wishes she could have been there for her son more often. Perhaps, she feels a strong obligation to prove herself as a mother, even though she knows she cannot juggle both lifestyles as a celebrity, who also happens to be touring all around the world. She might be feeling guilty.

I feel bad for her.

[BLACKOUTbritney 22,264]

3 hours ago, SEVDALIZA said:

The key to this argument is you willfully forgetting that SEX was shot in 1991 and released in 1992. This fact alone automatically regenerates its' social merit. It takes a lot of balls (pun intended) to do what she did during a more conservative & hidebound society and media.

"If you photographed my fantasies and put them out there, they would look degrading." 

But that's the ultimate goal of the book. Madonna challenged this taboo by systematically demystifying it by putting it under her control, by owning her sexuality and being in charge of the fantasies that she portrayed. There wasn't a man directing and telling her what to do, it was a product of a healthy and sexually active female mind and imagination. I can elaborate endlessly on how Madonna was artistically (Blond Ambition Tour) and Socially (Truth or Dare) ahead of her time, but I assume you're already aware of that, aren't you? SEX was yet another extension of her revolutionary road. The imagery being far too radical for your eyes to handle is understandable, but to argue that the book was an unavailing project is just delusional. The conversations and discussions it sparked alone is a feat on its own. The book received overwhelmingly negative feedback upon its release, but as time went on, the praise towards it grew and is now considered a bold, post-feminist, work of art. That speaks volumes about how socially ahead of its time it was. In the very first page of the book there's a paragraph dedicated to explain that the book takes place in a perfect world where sexually transmitted diseases don't exist, therefore, a lot of the imagery that you'll witness there only lives in Madonna's sexual masquerade, not in her reality. There's a fine line between presenting something and endorsing it. The book also broke social barriers by showcasing gay / lesbian imagery, using Madonna, a mainstream figure, to the masses.

You see no difference between SEX, "All About That Bass" and "Anaconda" ? oh come the **** on. Unlike SEX, these songs serve and glorify the power and domination of men.

"My anaconda don't want none unless you got buns, hun"

"Boys like a little more booty to hold at night" 

These lyrics are clearly centered around what seems to be the approval of men. Now, this, for instance, is degrading for women everywhere. The contrast could not be any more fundamentally clear.

You're correct, Bedtime Stories was a more mellow, R&B and balladry approach, but she did not retreat  the singles of that era were fairly ballsy as well :

The lyrics show that even though Madonna has moved on from her previous era, she's far from being regretful and released this song as a big "**** you" to everyone. The video was a satirical depiction of sex, meant to ridicule the taboos that several societies place on the subject. 

Also : 

"dressing pretty and being a responsible wife and mother" my ass.

"notice how Gaga has never stopped being controversial, even when it was no longer fruitful for her" 

 what?

She did not even experience 10% of the Erotica backlash and she went on this whole campaign to heal her image, she became an artist that predominantly contributes nothing new artistically, but instead relies on covering jazz standards for more than 2 years, having a drastic change in a sense that her fashion (!!!) has become utterly inoffensive. You're absolutely wrong. In a sense, the C2C era was very much like Madonna's Evita era. They both served the divas a long, well deserved break from pop culture and all its pressure, even though Gaga's backlash was incomparable to Madonna's and came a lot earlier in her career. So again, you're wrong on this one, sorry honey, but as artists, they both essentially share the same pattern.

If you don't believe me, here, take a look at Madonna talking about her Evita era and what it meant to her, it's almost crazy how identical she sounds to how Gaga spoke about her Jazz era :

 

 

[LeoFameMonster 1,592]

WEll atleast no one can pull her off this.....

I think she might have spoken 2 soon about vegas..... looks like shes cycling straight to Vegas

Someone wants to say hi

http://godammit.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/save-britney1.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

[Whispering 18,865]

4 hours ago, james19709 said:

Yeah obviously, but she didn't include the word disorder. It led into the song Borderline, but that can't have been a joke really. "I've been accused of a lot of things, but ___ __ (cant make it out) I'm not bipolar, I just have a borderline personality.." and she looked genuinely nervous to say it, and wasn't completely sober either, so I think she really meant it.

That would explain so much and it doesn't surprise me. 

[squeala 875]

that's really awful. how sad

[TimisaMonster 31,073]

6 hours ago, chiuga said:

Am I the only one who finds this artistic and genius? I like the look, the tricycle and the whole idea of dressing up as a clown to express her sorrow.

 

its ironic but very interesting.

So basically....

 

[johnpe 916]

channeling her inner self