The thing that irks me the most about the Oscar loss

[StrawberryBlond 14,849]

20 hours ago, SecretWeapon said:

I think TIHTY its an awful song so i'm feel relief. If Gaga wins i hope it's with a good song actually written by her

I'm not its biggest fan either (I love the message but just wish the lyrics could have been better and there were more of them) but her live performance was just so awesome, it really converted me. But it doesn't matter what we thought - the fact is that it was the favourite. And the favourites usually win. So, why didn't it?

18 hours ago, just4fun said:

TBH I'm glad she didn't win. There would have been a lot of backlash because of what Linda Perry said. Now Sam Smaith is getting all the backlash and people are wondering how a bad song on one of the worst Bond films ever won and not a song on a powerful documentary on rape. I'm a huge Bond fan and Spectre was pretty bad. 

I forgot about that aspect. She said this before voting started. If this coloured people's opinions and they decided not to vote for her... That's partly why I wanted her to win - it would have proved that making false accusations and bullying is unacceptable and will bite you in the backside in the end and that the innocent party always wins in the end.

12 hours ago, Omar Vela said:

And he did an awful performance... that falsetto made me cringe even more than in the studio version...

Tell me about it. That second verse in particular was henious. I think everyone on his team realise this and that's why it wasn't uploaded to his Vevo channel like Gaga's and The Weeknd's was. Isn't that weird? The losers uploaded their performances but the actual winner didn't? I watched the highlights of the night on Monday and unbelievably, Sam's performance was not featured. They missed out Dave Grohl's as well (but that was expected). Now, that really is telling. The losers got their performances played on the highlights but the winner of the prestigious award didn't? Does this mean even the academy think they messed up? So much so that they didn't want Sam to feature in the highlights because he was so bad, yet he won the award?

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2 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Tell me about it. That second verse in particular was henious. I think everyone on his team realise this and that's why it wasn't uploaded to his Vevo channel like Gaga's and The Weeknd's was. Isn't that weird? The losers uploaded their performances but the actual winner didn't? I watched the highlights of the night on Monday and unbelievably, Sam's performance was not featured. They missed out Dave Grohl's as well (but that was expected). Now, that really is telling. The losers got their performances played on the highlights but the winner of the prestigious award didn't? Does this mean even the academy think they messed up? So much so that they didn't want Sam to feature in the highlights because he was so bad, yet he won the award?

EXACTLY!... this make me remember of other winner song who had an awful live performance: Let it go.

(Obviously Let it go did deserve that award, not like Sam Smith's song)

[Kayla 7,595]

I see why you're frustrated, but some of these don't really play into winning an Oscar. 

#6, for example. It doesn't matter how long someone has been in the industry. If someone has literally only ever recorded ONE song and that ONE song was somehow good enough to win an Oscar, than they should get it. It's awarding a specific individual piece of music, not an artist's career. 

#5 - Again, it's about the individual song. It sucks that a Bond song won two years in a row, but there's no rule against a song from the same franchise winning twice in a row. It's about the song itself, not spreading the wins amongst the different franchises or individual movies. 

#4 - This is a really good point. When the reception is so on and off, it's hard to say it deserves to win "Best Song." 

#3 - Obviously this sucks, just like it sucked Leo went years without winning an Oscar. (I still think he should have got one for his role in Django Unchained, especially after the cut hand scene, but apparently the Oscars didn't think so...) However, it's not about how many times you are nominated. You could be nominated once and win once, or nominated 1,000 and never win - number of nominations does not affect the song itself that is up competing.
That's like saying if you play a sport, if you've played enough games that means you automatically get to win one. It's about the individual game itself, not your history playing.

#2 I do agree that songs that smartly speak out against important issues should receive some kind of extra praise for that. When you have artists not only creating technically good songs but also making songs that are important to society, that should be taken into consideration and rewarded. Not saying every song with a message should always win, but it certainly should help their chances. 

#1 TRUE ****ING TRUTH. No matter how much I may have just somewhat disagreed with your reasonings for why TIHTY should have won, the fact is that it SHOULD have won because is IS a superior song with great reviews. 

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I think the consensus is that the Academy voters simply voted for the song that they heard more. TIHTY was not as popular.

It's disappointing but hardly shocking, given how the system is.

 

[StrawberryBlond 14,849]

21 minutes ago, Kayla said:

I see why you're frustrated, but some of these don't really play into winning an Oscar. 

#6, for example. It doesn't matter how long someone has been in the industry. If someone has literally only ever recorded ONE song and that ONE song was somehow good enough to win an Oscar, than they should get it. It's awarding a specific individual piece of music, not an artist's career. 

#5 - Again, it's about the individual song. It sucks that a Bond song won two years in a row, but there's no rule against a song from the same franchise winning twice in a row. It's about the song itself, not spreading the wins amongst the different franchises or individual movies. 

#4 - This is a really good point. When the reception is so on and off, it's hard to say it deserves to win "Best Song." 

#3 - Obviously this sucks, just like it sucked Leo went years without winning an Oscar. (I still think he should have got one for his role in Django Unchained, especially after the cut hand scene, but apparently the Oscars didn't think so...) However, it's not about how many times you are nominated. You could be nominated once and win once, or nominated 1,000 and never win - number of nominations does not affect the song itself that is up competing.
That's like saying if you play a sport, if you've played enough games that means you automatically get to win one. It's about the individual game itself, not your history playing.

#2 I do agree that songs that smartly speak out against important issues should receive some kind of extra praise for that. When you have artists not only creating technically good songs but also making songs that are important to society, that should be taken into consideration and rewarded. Not saying every song with a message should always win, but it certainly should help their chances. 

#1 TRUE ****ING TRUTH. No matter how much I may have just somewhat disagreed with your reasonings for why TIHTY should have won, the fact is that it SHOULD have won because is IS a superior song with great reviews. 

The points are ranked, as you can see, so #6 bothered me the least. I know it isn't a completely validated way of thinking (I'm partially letting my view of Sam's music as mediocre affect my reasoning a lot here) and of course, if Gaga had only had one album but released an amazing song that was nominated, of course I'd think she deserved to win. Admittedly, it's who won in particular who's annoying me (at least it was a foregone conclusion that Adele was going to do well with her follow-up album whereas Sam has all the makings of a one album wonder). In this case, I'd rather it went to someone who had paid their dues in this industry.

The fact a Bond theme won for 2 consecutive movies is uncharacteristically odd, though. The Oscars have never been big on Bond. The entire franchise has only won 5 Oscars, 3 for technical, 2 for songs, including WOTW. How the much more impressive themes never won in the past, I have no idea. So, for 2 consecutive wins for theme was bizarre. This is the biggest reason why I though WOTW didn't stand a chance. The sad thing is that if the next theme is awesome, it's probably not going to win the Oscar it deserves because the academy will likely think letting a third one in a row win is pushing it (it'll probably be the theme that Gaga gets invited to do!)

I'm not a fan of the thinking that if you've failed to win so many times, you should win as a consolation after so long. But it's not what I think. It's about how the Oscars operates. They did this before with Sandra Bullock (never a win but she's America's sweetheart, so they let her win for The Blind Side even though everyone agreed it wasn't Oscar worthy) and Leo went in with everyone knowing he was going to win partly as retribution for all his failed attempts. It's just how these shows work. So, if that was a theme of tonight, why didn't it work out for Diane? I think it's cruel to keep dangling a carrot in front of someone like that over and over - 8 times no less. Just stop nominating them if you're going to repeatedly let them down. The record for the most amount of Grammy nominations without a win was Brian McKnight (before Snoop Dogg set the record this year) with 16. The academy stopped nominating him 11 years ago, perhaps because they felt he'd become a running joke and it was getting sad now. Any more nominations would just be salt in the wound. Repeatedly getting your hopes raised just to get dashed can be heartbreaking for a creative talent. After so long, just cut them loose for good if they're never going to stand a chance.

The same voters who voted for Spotlight voted on Best Song, so why didn't it speak to them just as much? Maybe they just heard the song and didn't realise it was about rape? Or didn't listen to it at all, like rumoured?

Yes, at the end of the day, for an acclaimed song from an acclaimed documentary not to win against a mixed reception song from a mixed reception movie just doesn't wash when it's the Oscars. I don't know why all these prediction sites and the media made out like TIHTY was going to win when it wasn't the case. The whole thing just doesn't add up. So I can only conclude that maybe it is true - maybe the academy really don't listen to the majority of the songs and just go for the one that they're the most aware of? Well, I think after all that's happened, they'll start to rethink this strategy for next year. Can't have another unpopular choice winning with a rocky live performance to boot.

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1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

 

I forgot about that aspect. She said this before voting started. If this coloured people's opinions and they decided not to vote for her... That's partly why I wanted her to win - it would have proved that making false accusations and bullying is unacceptable and will bite you in the backside in the end and that the innocent party always wins in the end.

 

 

I don't get this...what does it have to do with 'coloured people'?

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13 minutes ago, VampireHeart said:

 

I don't get this...what does it have to do with 'coloured people'?

You've misread it, it's just an unfortunate way that the English language forms sometimes. I said "coloured" someone's "opinion" meaning "altered people's opinions." Have you never heard the saying: "That coloured my view?" or thereabouts. It means the same as "altered." You can say colour or alter, I just went for colour. Just replace the word "coloured" with "altered" and you'll get it. Funnily enough, after I wrote it, I wondered if some would think I wrote "coloured people." No, I just meant "I hope Linda's accusations didn't alter people's perceptions of TIHTY." Hope that clears it up. I wasn't talking about race at all.

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1 minute ago, StrawberryBlond said:

You've misread it, it's just an unfortunate way that the English language forms sometimes. I said "coloured" someone's "opinion" meaning "altered people's opinions." Have you never heard the saying: "That coloured my view?" or thereabouts. It means the same as "altered." You can say colour or alter, I just went for colour. Just replace the word "coloured" with "altered" and you'll get it. Funnily enough, after I wrote it, I wondered if some would think I wrote "coloured people." No, I just meant "I hope Linda's accusations didn't alter people's perceptions of TIHTY." Hope that clears it up. I wasn't talking about race at all.

 

Right, sorry! My bad.

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Watch Gaga win an Oscar for the next Bond theme

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On 1-3-2016 at 0:18 AM, TheFameFatale said:

She's still a multi millionaire, and did a great job performing. It's not the end of the world. Be happy the song even got the nomination which is an honor within itself.

what does her amount of money has to do with any of this  

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It was almost like everyone thought "Oh the Lady Gaga will definitely win, so she doesn't need my vote", and voted for something else.

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On 2/3/2016 at 7:16 PM, SecretWeapon said:

I think TIHTY its an awful song so i'm feel relief. If Gaga wins i hope it's with a good song actually written by her

Omg can you stop being a hater for once?

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19 hours ago, BuzzcutSeason said:

It's healthy for everyone to be over it 4 days later

Thanks for the info Dr. Phil. 

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2 hours ago, FameHookah said:

Omg can you stop being a hater for once?

You cant stop my voice cause you dont own my heart

If the song was, idk, "I Want Your Love" then it would be a different story. But since current hot topic is TIHTY, i have right to express how i feel as long as i do it respectfully and within forum rules

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On 3/3/2016 at 6:42 AM, i medici said:

what does her amount of money has to do with any of this  

Because it doesn't make her any less successful.