Redstreak 6,653 Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share Posted February 16, 2016 13 minutes ago, Kayla said: If he walked away with 5 awards wouldn't that point to his music being more worthy of critical acclaim, though? I mean, they basically said "You were the best in 5 ways, Taylor was the best in 3 ways (one of which you were included in), but we're gonna give the biggest award to her." Taylor got album of the year for how responded to her album socially, if that makes sense, and because it was a welldone fun Pop album, but that's kindof it. If you strip away public hype and focus only on artistic merit of the songs, Kendrick's album blows 1989 out of the water. You don't have to like it better- you can enjoy 1989 and think it's a "better" album subjectively. But objectively there is so much more going on with Kendrick's album than Taylor's, and it's all powerful, relevant, and intelligent. Album of the Year from a social perspective? Sure, 1989 can take it. Album of the Year from an artistic perspective? TPAB should have won without question. It's not like they unanimously chose 1989. If anything it's more likely that Sound & Color siphoned off a decent portion of TPAB's votes. Take a moment to think of just flexibility, love, and trust~ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueenGadonna 298 Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 6 minutes ago, Ziggy said: "You can be me if you work hard." False. You are a cute, blonde, white woman with doe eyes who writes unchallenging music and had an upper middle class family to push you through into music. Not everyone has that. Good god, I hate her ignorant liberalism so much. She does work hard, probably incredibly, but it's so ignorant to say that anyone can do what she did if they try hard enough. That just perpetuates the elitist view that being poor is morally wrong because you don't work hard enough. F**k off, TSwift. Wow you took things waaaaay out of context. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceGaga 7,585 Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 I can't remember if I posted this here or if I thought I should and then didn't but what annoys me is that 1989 is now grouped among the select few albums that have won AOTY. Albums such as Morning Phase (Beck), 21 (Adele), Rumours (Fleetwood Mac), How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb (U2), The Suburbs (Arcade Fire), Come Away With Me (Norah Jones), Falling Into You (Celien Dion) and even Fearless which is a great album (and an amazing achievement to get AOTY on her debut). All of these are amazing, beautiful, perfect albums that totally deserve the award, but putting 1989 next to the likes of last year's winning album, Morning Phase, just makes 1989 feel so lacklustre, plasticy, repetitive, safe, etc etc. It honestly doesn't sound AOTY worthy, I'm sorry but... I mean yes it had commercial success but so?! You could tell people were pissed off last night. I honestly, truthfully believe in my whole heart of hearts that Taylor did not deserve that award. 1989 is a good album but I would never put it in the same grouping with the likes of Rumours, 21, or Morning Phase. Kendrick Lamar's album was the obvious winner and I would have been more than happy to see his album name along side the other AOTY winners. To me, his album feels much more worthy of that 'title'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 11,874 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Kayla said: Hm...I personally would disagree with that, even though my favorite T-Swift song isn't from 1989. :P I respect that. Thank you for disagreeing without feeling the need to lash <3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 11,874 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 1 hour ago, QueenGadonna said: Wow you took things waaaaay out of context. It isn't just that, it's her whole schtick when it comes to things, mostly feminism. She has such problematic views on it and doesn't realize she does more to hurt the cause than help it. Seriously, her "squad" is all tall, beautiful, white models that she anoints on stage at her concerts? Ridiculous. Her strange way of thinking that all women suffer the same oppression without acknowledging other factors such as race, income background, etc. She has a very myopic view of feminism and it's very grating to hear her speak on it as though she is the self-appointed leader of a movement. The whole "me and my exclusive squad vs. them" mentality is gross and disguised as girl power. -Rant over- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
weed 73,932 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 2 hours ago, Ziggy said: "You can be me if you work hard." False. You are a cute, blonde, white woman with doe eyes who writes unchallenging music and had an upper middle class family to push you through into music. Not everyone has that. Good god, I hate her ignorant liberalism so much. She does work hard, probably incredibly, but it's so ignorant to say that anyone can do what she did if they try hard enough. That just perpetuates the elitist view that being poor is morally wrong because you don't work hard enough. F**k off, TSwift. She was responding to Kanye's misogyny, mostly. but either way what do you want her to say? "You guys should all hate yourselves! Don't try and be successful, because you never will be. None of you will ever amount to anything! Cya :*" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 11,874 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 1 minute ago, neptugne said: She was responding to Kanye's misogyny, mostly. but either way what do you want her to say? "You guys should all hate yourselves! Don't try and be successful, because you never will be. None of you will ever amount to anything! Cya :*" Well, I do agree the Kanye hit was entirely justified, but she could have just thanked everyone profusely plain and simple like a lot of other people. To me, she ran into a similar issue as Patricia Arquette did last year except people are also pissed that she won over Kendrick and not just because of her speech lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexxx 5,647 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Taylor needs to stop unnecessarily pull out the feminist card, as if she's been subject to the worst injustices of a misogynistic life Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstreak 6,653 Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share Posted February 17, 2016 44 minutes ago, Sexxx said: Taylor needs to stop unnecessarily pull out the feminist card, as if she's been subject to the worst injustices of a misogynistic life She was responding to very real misogynistic comments made explicitly about her not even a week ago. Relegating it to "the feminist card" is honestly kinda petty and a tactic to devalue the discussion. Take a moment to think of just flexibility, love, and trust~ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 3 hours ago, Kayla said: If he walked away with 5 awards wouldn't that point to his music being more worthy of critical acclaim, though? I mean, they basically said "You were the best in 5 ways, Taylor was the best in 3 ways (one of which you were included in), but we're gonna give the biggest award to her." Taylor got album of the year for how responded to her album socially, if that makes sense, and because it was a welldone fun Pop album, but that's kindof it. If you strip away public hype and focus only on artistic merit of the songs, Kendrick's album blows 1989 out of the water. You don't have to like it better- you can enjoy 1989 and think it's a "better" album subjectively. But objectively there is so much more going on with Kendrick's album than Taylor's, and it's all powerful, relevant, and intelligent. Album of the Year from a social perspective? Sure, 1989 can take it. Album of the Year from an artistic perspective? TPAB should have won without question. Beyonce received three awards last year, but didn't receive AOTY. The artist that wins the most awards doesn't translate automatically into a win in the main categories. Not only does that line of reasoning not make sense when considering that some artists are in genres where they dominate, but history shows that it rarely follows that pattern. Also, AOTY has rarely been awarded to albums promoting social change. It isn't "most meaningful album of the year". There really isn't an agreed upon consensus on what individual voters are looking for when determining album of the year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Sexxx said: Taylor needs to stop unnecessarily pull out the feminist card, as if she's been subject to the worst injustices of a misogynistic life That's not a feminist card, that's standing up for herself as a human being, a person that deserves respect for the hard work and dedication that she has given to her career and artistry. Taylor was one hundred per cent in the right for calling out that she was degraded to being called someone's bitch that they wanted to have sex with and then trying to take credit for her success. How many respected male artists face those types of comments? Good for her for calling that misogynistic crap out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yves 1,891 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 22 hours ago, Themysciran said: ew 22 hours ago, PunkTheFunk said: Kendrick Lamar was robbed 22 hours ago, Sexxx said: one of the lesser deserving albums that could have won. Hand it over to Kendrick 22 hours ago, Rebel Heart said: I guess talent doesn't always win 22 hours ago, Wenli said: Highway robbery. 22 hours ago, TMan86 said: hmm ok. 22 hours ago, CannaeDrive said: Now I am actually disappointed. 22 hours ago, AdAstra said: I'm just going to pretend that the 2016 Grammy's were cancelled and that that whole mess of a show never happened. The seething in the first page alone. The GRAMMY voters > Your ****ing opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juicyjuicy 1,985 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 ew wtf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagaisitalian 3,573 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 22 hours ago, nath4gaga said: You can tell she does it on her own cos it's so basic, a child could practically write those songs. The obsessively repetitive nature of each song also indicates that she actually find it hard to learn melodies, so makes a 2 bar one up and repeats it 23472039481723469 times in one song You couldn't write and record a song any better than Itsy Bitsy Spider, so sit your salty ass back into your broke ass chair and don't try and come for me and my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 4 hours ago, Ziggy said: "You can be me if you work hard." False. You are a cute, blonde, white woman with doe eyes who writes unchallenging music and had an upper middle class family to push you through into music. Not everyone has that. Good god, I hate her ignorant liberalism so much. She does work hard, probably incredibly, but it's so ignorant to say that anyone can do what she did if they try hard enough. That just perpetuates the elitist view that being poor is morally wrong because you don't work hard enough. F**k off, TSwift. Taylor Swift is the queen of mediocrity. That's why the masses love her. She's just like them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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