FameHookah 4,631 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Edward Hardy said: I actually think the GP loved Applause and Do What U Want more than some of her old songs. The GP doesn't read pop forums and to be honest, they might even love ARTPOP more than some fans here do. Yep, my boyfriend hates gaga because of BTW and he LOVED ARTPOP TF and TFM so much lmao WTF is MDNA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VenusBlackStar 1,301 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I'm really glad you posted this! I caught most of these references, but I did not catch the "Lord of the Flies" one and I read that book! That's awesome! I also did not know that Aura was a goddess too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley 59,200 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 2 hours ago, BoysBoysBoys652 said: because people like you put words in my mouth. This thread is pointless because people like you make it into a fight/argument/debate. Let it go. Some hated it, some loved it. It doesn't matter. It's over. All these threads do is start arguments. I'm going to have a mod close this thread if you can't keep your temper. I wasn't even angry when I typed to you so temper what? I just thought you were being too harsh on the OP, by saying 'there's no point we start this topic again'. He is entitled to his own opinion and he has a right to voice it out. Besides, he wrote some good stuff and didn't just rant randomly writing pointless words. So you had no right to call his thread pointless. If only people were less like you, people could have focused on the CONTENTS OF THE OP instead of 'why ARTPOP threads should not be made'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLUT 9 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I just joined to post my take on this. ARTPOP is NOT a good album, objectively speaking. It's like a big fun rollercoaster ride where some of the movements jsut don't make sense next to each other. The songs can be taken alone and seen positively, I can enjoy SOME of the songs when I listen to each of them alone. The album all together just doesn't work AT ALL. It feels like 3 or 4 projects were shoved into one. It's in a way similar to Kylie's X where the album felt like a collection of both great and bad songs rather than an album, it's not even an album with ups and downs, it's just a collection of songs shoved in together. Venus/GUY/Sexxx Dreams/MJH/ARTPOP seem to belong to a project different from Aura/Donatella/Fashion!/Swine/Applause/Gypsy which is different from a third project with DWUW/JewelsNDrugs/Dope and MANiCURE is just out of place in all three projects. The 'We Could Belong Together' line in AP is nearly ironic when you look at the album. Off the album I believe Aura, Venus. G.U.Y., Sexxx Dreams (I loved the new title just 'sex dreams' sounds so cheesy), DWUW & MJH are good songs especially on their own. Applause, Fashion! and Donatella are fun but really messy songs and let's not act like Applause & Donatella make ANY sense. The album is TRASH lyrically aside from 1 or 2 exceptions (the Lord of the Flies reference in Swine & the 1984 one in Dreams>>). And I've never understood the love for Gypsy which is probably among the top 3 worst songs of Gaga's career along with Dope and JND. However, none of those songs come close to the masterpieces that you cna find on The Fame, The Fame Monster & Born This Way, which is why, as a fan I find even harder to digest this album simply because the standards bar was HIGH. And the album's era was messy as well which didn't help it. The cover alone looked repulsive. The tracklsit doesn't make sense. Many performances throughout the era were messy. The tour had some positive sides but was mostly uninteresting and felt rushed. Even with the tons of promo the album got (don't @ me if you're going to say that t wasn't well promoted when it got the VMAs, AMAs, The Voice Finale, SNL, the Youtube Awards all those radio appearance sin august, GMA TWICE, The X Factor UK, Graham Norton, the Japan shows and so on, the promo was there, the quality wasn't and the choices Gaga & her team made weren't good) it didn't do well and if I'm honest, I'm happy about that because both Gaga and the Monsters needed to be SHAKEN. Gaga believed in her hype way too much and the monsters were messy af during the wait for the album. However one of the highlights of my life must have been July 12 2013, when we got the announcement and I probably spent most of the rest of my summer getting hyped and just fan girling. And I'm not going to act like "the album is too complicated for the GP" because a lot of albums with loads of metaphors/hidden meanings and so on can still do well. The album just didn't feel like a finished project but more like a mixtape and not a very good one. However we have seen the fall now comes the rebirth, and 2015 has literally been the perfect rebirth and 2016 is shaping up to become among the bets Gaga years ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vishal 42 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Yall say dat u doh care bout commercial success but when ARTPOP failed on charts even monsters said it was a flop but i think ARTPOP songs were very badass jus sayin my opinion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Togekiss 2,528 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Some definite reaches in there (the literary references op mentions are pretty vague) but definitely some good, deep interpretations! The best thing about Swine to me is that it can be heard two ways: as an abuser's words telling their victim that they are just a piece of meat to them, or the victim telling their abuser that they're nothing but a selfish pig. It's one of her most cleverly written songs to me. building a daydream Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagadonna 10,801 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 10 hours ago, BoysBoysBoys652 said: ARTPOP sucked. It's just an opinion. Mother Monster is rising and wil slay again.... just wait.... are you an old fan coming back after Gaga's 2015 slayage? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardevoir 9,870 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I just wanted to point out something about virst first of Aura. I think she mentions that she killed her "fame hungry hollywood side". I know you probably know this, but just wanted to write it. Can you explain Mary Jane Holland's lyrics mirroring the story of Apollo and Daphne? I love MJH but thought that some of the lyrics are really shallow. Spoiler Now you all can see how ARTPOP is timeless. It will be discussed forever. Sugar, spice, and everything nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eifulien 2,969 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 @Bakki Del Rey Wow, I came here expecting another mess about ARTPOP (as a hard stan for the album I'm fed up with the threads here cause they barely make sense anymore). But this was one of the most interesting interpretations I've read about the album. Some real contribution! Thanks, your opinion is appreciated! 10 hours ago, Edward Hardy said: I actually think the GP loved Applause and Do What U Want more than some of her old songs. The GP doesn't read pop forums and to be honest, they might even love ARTPOP more than some fans here do. This is true to be honest. Last summer the cousin of my best friend came to our country (she lives in the US) and we got together, and Lady Gaga came up during our talk and the first thing she said about her was that she loved DWUW and Venus (not a stan, not even a fan, just casual listener). I was like WTF, you know Venus (she sang the lyrics). So I think a lot people who got to hear the album outside the fanbase actually enjoyed it cause let's be honest - it is capable of giving some DJs' material a run for its money. Just like @Judas Oyster - the album is made for a party/a night at the club - pure fun. And imo Gaga crafted it extremely carefully. She had non-standard song structures, smart metaphors all wrapped in a very immature package (hence the duality theme that is not easily visible). It is silly to assume (as some members do) that Gaga sort of wanted to flop and have a commercial failure. Of course it is a personal album that she stated was made for her and her friends so I bet the huge success wasn't a main point. Which is actually where my amazement with the album comes from. She has always channeled her pain and her passion into something - a commentary about fame and society's obsession with it, then the consequences of this in the form of fears, then it was put as a critique on social staus-quo and as a message about self-empowerment. And with ARTPOP she went deeper, maybe she wasn't in a good state of mind to properly articulate on it, but the whole thing is just pain and emotion in their most naked form. It's an outburst of feelings and you can feel it in the music. It can't be rationalised. It's about taking your clothes and your prejudice off and just jumping with her on the canvas, ready to get dirty and all sunked into colours. Instead of judging her (is it right or is it wrong?) we were invited to join her on a journey and see her creativity go up and down. It's about the enjoyment of the music, having fun with friends without worrying (music not the bling, I hate this phrase because of GGD cause it's been used so much ironically that even when I write it I can no longer take it seriously, but still - I mean it here). ARTPOP was greatly mismanaged, didn't live to its full potential. Gaga's creative input was like an energy bomb. So it was bound to explode in some places. It has its share of hit or miss. But it's a fact no matter how tough the preiod was for her, the album bore some of her best songs in her discography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djBuffoon 12,123 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Such a great album, very much encapsulates what makes Gaga such a standalone artist. Earworm melodies, energetic production, heavy beats, and lyrics that are, by turn, witty, metaphorical, empowering, self-referential, thematically loaded, ridiculous, and even profound. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardevoir 9,870 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 9 hours ago, VenusBlackStar said: I'm really glad you posted this! I caught most of these references, but I did not catch the "Lord of the Flies" one and I read that book! That's awesome! I also did not know that Aura was a goddess too! These characters on the left side are Zephyr and Aura. I think Aura was more like a wind spirit instead of Goddess. But I'm not sure. Sugar, spice, and everything nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardevoir 9,870 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 7 hours ago, SLUT said: I just joined to post my take on this. ARTPOP is NOT a good album, objectively speaking. It's like a big fun rollercoaster ride where some of the movements jsut don't make sense next to each other. The songs can be taken alone and seen positively, I can enjoy SOME of the songs when I listen to each of them alone. The album all together just doesn't work AT ALL. It feels like 3 or 4 projects were shoved into one. It's in a way similar to Kylie's X where the album felt like a collection of both great and bad songs rather than an album, it's not even an album with ups and downs, it's just a collection of songs shoved in together. Venus/GUY/Sexxx Dreams/MJH/ARTPOP seem to belong to a project different from Aura/Donatella/Fashion!/Swine/Applause/Gypsy which is different from a third project with DWUW/JewelsNDrugs/Dope and MANiCURE is just out of place in all three projects. The 'We Could Belong Together' line in AP is nearly ironic when you look at the album. Off the album I believe Aura, Venus. G.U.Y., Sexxx Dreams (I loved the new title just 'sex dreams' sounds so cheesy), DWUW & MJH are good songs especially on their own. Applause, Fashion! and Donatella are fun but really messy songs and let's not act like Applause & Donatella make ANY sense. The album is TRASH lyrically aside from 1 or 2 exceptions (the Lord of the Flies reference in Swine & the 1984 one in Dreams>>). And I've never understood the love for Gypsy which is probably among the top 3 worst songs of Gaga's career along with Dope and JND. However, none of those songs come close to the masterpieces that you cna find on The Fame, The Fame Monster & Born This Way, which is why, as a fan I find even harder to digest this album simply because the standards bar was HIGH. And the album's era was messy as well which didn't help it. The cover alone looked repulsive. The tracklsit doesn't make sense. Many performances throughout the era were messy. The tour had some positive sides but was mostly uninteresting and felt rushed. Even with the tons of promo the album got (don't @ me if you're going to say that t wasn't well promoted when it got the VMAs, AMAs, The Voice Finale, SNL, the Youtube Awards all those radio appearance sin august, GMA TWICE, The X Factor UK, Graham Norton, the Japan shows and so on, the promo was there, the quality wasn't and the choices Gaga & her team made weren't good) it didn't do well and if I'm honest, I'm happy about that because both Gaga and the Monsters needed to be SHAKEN. Gaga believed in her hype way too much and the monsters were messy af during the wait for the album. However one of the highlights of my life must have been July 12 2013, when we got the announcement and I probably spent most of the rest of my summer getting hyped and just fan girling. And I'm not going to act like "the album is too complicated for the GP" because a lot of albums with loads of metaphors/hidden meanings and so on can still do well. The album just didn't feel like a finished project but more like a mixtape and not a very good one. However we have seen the fall now comes the rebirth, and 2015 has literally been the perfect rebirth and 2016 is shaping up to become among the bets Gaga years ever. I bet this masterpiece on The Fame you're talking about is Boys Boys Boys and its "Love it when you call me legs In the morning buy me eggs" iconic part. But I must admit that the album got pretty nice promotion to be honest and no one is noticing it. Sugar, spice, and everything nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLUT 9 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 3 hours ago, Emigrante said: I bet this masterpiece on The Fame you're talking about is Boys Boys Boys and its "Love it when you call me legs In the morning buy me eggs" iconic part. But I must admit that the album got pretty nice promotion to be honest and no one is noticing it. Nn The Fame is honestly underrated quality wise by Gaga stans whie the GP knows the tea and thinks it's her best (well I believe TFM is her best but still). It's good at what it is, it's really fun, it actually changed Pop's landscape and the whole Gaga persona that surrounded it just slays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas 27,218 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I learnt so much things I didn't even think about thanks to your thread, thank you for posting it and sharing your opinions. Don't read the people who keep complaining about all the ARTPOP threads or the "let it go" comments. Your vision & decryptage of the album are amazing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 5 hours ago, Gagadonna said: are you an old fan coming back after Gaga's 2015 slayage? I never left, I just don't usually speak up to people this rude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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