"Black History Month shouldn't exist" - Black Actress Stacey Dash

[PaperIz 7,346]

She sort of has a point actually, I'm not sure if it's a good idea though. I feel like the racism conversation is exploding lately though. Everything is so mixed up, there's so many different thoughts to what is racist or not and what is a correct way to go about fixing it.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

Just now, PaperIz said:

She sort of has a point actually. I feel like the racism conversation is exploding lately though. Everything is so mixed up, there's so many different thoughts to what is racist or not and what is a correct way to go about fixing it.

There is one way and one way only. Full integration.

The only issue is that neither side is putting the effort or setting aside their differences.

Unfortunately that's what happens when we're dealing with humans in general.

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1 minute ago, LebaneseDude said:

There is one way and one way only. Full integration.

The only issue is that neither side is putting the effort or setting aside their differences.

Unfortunately that's what happens when we're dealing with humans in general.

I just see things like sam smith being attacked for being sympathetic or Taylor being attacked for twerking (using too much black culture) then filming in Africa and attacked for not using enough? And then there's the mound of atrocities commited to our brothers and sisters of color just because of their color. Its insane. People are mad about everything on every side. It's upsetting to see everyone so divided. Yes we're different in our skin colours but we are all the same. The more differences we concentrate on, the worse it's going to get. So that's why I agree with her with the point. It's all just getting so awful and it sucks. 

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2 hours ago, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

republican boy please tell me this, have white people been oppressed on a mass scale because they were white? 

Yes.....the Irish slave trade. An estimated 1.25 million Irish people were enslaved in North Africa (primarily Algiers) during the 16th,17th,and 18th centuries by African leaders. (This does not include many other people of European descent who were traded in African countries during this era)

-Another fact: white people didn't enslave free black people in Africa. Their African leaders had already enslaved them and primarily Jewish whites brought them to America by trading them from African leaders who had already enslaved them.

-Another fact: the first recorded slave owner in America was a black man named Anthony Johnson (1600-1670) who was sold by Muslim traders and brought to Virginia. His family had over 200 black slaves and he had a legal battle that was the first recorded legal battle because he was caught lying about his indentured servants who were supposed to be set free after seven years, but he would entrap them. 

Another fact: Despite over 400 laws by the United States Federal government to ensure equal opportunity for blacks (specifically the African descent population, which is technically unconstitutional to specify a minority), the poverty rate for people of African descent has stayed relatively the same for nearly 60 years now, inferring it's less of a "white advantage" thing and more a cultural issue that the black community has not addressed itself. 

The imagery created by textbooks in classrooms would have you think that white men caused this problem, but the actual factual history points that albeit whites took part in slavery and racism, pretty much all of the world (outside of Asia) was involved involved in the slave trade. And it was explicitly because of profit and power. People weren't enslaving each other because they hated a race, more so because they saw a specific territory that was financially and technologically weaker and they took advantage of it. 

Modern racism as we know it didn't really kick off until after the Civil War. Pre Civil War the south didn't hate blacks, they needed them and abused them. After the civil war racism became a sentiment that people hated blacks because it was their fault the north won and the confederation went down. It wasn't about financial gain anymore, but hatred of the race itself.

After social change began in the 20th Century which would bring about a cultural overhaul, people wanted to get rid of this sentiment that blacks had wronged the south and had to be separated. So that change took place beginning in the 50s and 60s. This was a good thing. 

However, the U.S. Federal government didn't ever allow black people to assimilate into society the way Italians, Irish, Jewish, Asian, or even gay people now have. Why? For some reasons, (and this is true) law after law after law in the 70s and 80s and 90s kept throwing money specifically at the black population creating kind of a welfare as kind of a "white guilt" thing. It was kind of giving them reparations. 

In the long haul this has done nothing for the black community in the states except keep them primarily in poverty and dependent on the government. Most African Americans were republicans up until the 1960s because they were culturally in line with tradition and Christianity. But when the welfare programs pushed primarily by democrats began....mostly black people became democrat voters. They were benefitting from the system for once, and I don't blame them. The situation they were put in was shitty. But unintended consequences led the breakdown of the black family, led the black community away from pushing themselves economically by creating wealth and business, and the government just kept making it easier for them to fail because if they didn't promise handouts, candidates would lose votes. 

On the flip side, many whites (who came here on Ellis Island and had nothing to do with slavery) were forced into tough economic situations and were not given handouts because of their race or how they were tortured by European governments. They had to succeed on their very own. And that's why at that period you see a lot of Jewish American, Irish American, and Italian American businesses booming. They didn't have a safety net like African Americans were given so they had to make money. 

And now, a lot of black people think it is just white people succeeding because they are white and black people aren't succeeding because of their race. It's really not racism. It's also not completely black peoples fault. But blacks need to recognize that the government has just used them for votes over the years and they don't really care about their culture or race. That's why when Bernie or Hillary sit up there and say they are for black lives matters and handing out more stuff to "make things equal" I call bullshit. It's the same stuff over and over again. They are two white people who have been in politics for decades who are in it to win it and continue being part of a political group that makes money off tax dollars. They start shouting about equality every time there is an election, promising handouts, equality. But history shows throwing other people's money at an artificial policy on a document doesn't change ****. 

Black people have to want to come up by themselves without the help of government. Just like every other race, European, Asian, etc has had to. And if you don't believe this is what has happened, look how the democrats are sucking up to Latinos right now, another minority they want to control. Are they telling Latinos to be lifted up? No....the democrats say: They are willing to work the shitty jobs white people DONT want to work, let them! That's only fair. Really? I call that REAL racism for political profit. 

 

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Ih, I only watch BET for the Tyler Perry movies.

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I'm not sure yet if I agree or disagree with her...but in terms of BET, NAACP, all black schools, etc. you have to look at them historically, especially the NAACP and black schools. (Speaking for USA history, by the way.) Many were established in a time where black people were working to define a collective identity in the post-slavery decades in the late 1800s, early 1900s, and arguably now. I do think that the abolishing of these things would do a great disservice to many people.

Back in college I read a few scholarly essays that spoke on African Americans as a collective people carrying the pain of the past through the generations, even if they themselves did not experience slavery/racism. It's a deep-rooted pain internalized in people. Y'all should read Invisible Man  by Ralph Ellison. It's rather eye-opening about racial issues surrounding black people pre-MLK civil rights.

So for black people, having those places for them historically represented a place of community where cultural and racial identity. Important black figures like W.E.B. Dubois and Booker T. Washington were leaders of different schools of thought. Some schools of thought were apologist in nature, like supporters of the Atlanta Compromise, which was a deal basically that if blacks received education and due process in the law, they would not strive for civil rights. The opposing view was the Niagara Movement, which strove for the civil rights some blacks did not believe they needed. So even then there were conflicting racial views. It's important to note that these conflicting views were among African American people as a race.

For black people, race and cultural work closely together to define an identity, it's something to be proud of for many. One of the big things to spark this was the Harlem Renaissance that occurred in Harlem between the end of WWI and the 1930s. Many African American people gathered and further defined an artistic and cultural identity  with music, art, poetry, and many notable writers played a key role in developing "black art" during this time.

 

I myself am not black, but I'm half white and half Asian if that gives me some credibility to speak on racial issues. I've also spoken about these issues with friends of mine who are black, and they all share in this collective pride about black history and racial equality. Actually, after writing all this I do not agree with this lady because of what some of my friends have told me: that the perpetuating and recognition of black history and recognizing that there is still work to do for racial equality is important because a young kid can look at all that and be inspired. They can be aware of who they are, what their family and ancestors might have gone through, and know that they have the opportunity to make it better for themselves and their communities!

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4 hours ago, LebaneseDude said:

Once again, why are you talking about non-American issues in a discussion regarding a discussion that is specifically about the USA and its history? 

Also, why are you focusing on racism as if that's the only part of black history that merits importance?

Racism is everywhere, and guess what, it's also against "white" people like me.

In fact I'd argue there's a much bigger racial bias against Middle Eastern people than black people worldwide overall.

Why isn't there a Lebanese history month worldwide hmm, considering we're the only reason Britain was discovered as early as it was and as such we are directly responsible for the entire western world as we know it, where Rome takes all the credit.

There's a little random iota of history for you.

 

But you're the one who said "what else is there to talk about black history apart from slavery, civil rights and segregation"

and Rome takes all the credit because it did more than Lebanon. Lebanon is A flop basic and Britain is lady Gaga, Rome is Beyoncé and

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Just now, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

But you're the one who said "what else is there to talk about black history apart from slavery, civil rights and segregation"

"Black history", not "American history". Last I checked, the black people in question are Americans.

1 minute ago, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

 

and Rome takes all the credit because it did more than Lebanon. Lebanon is A flop basic and Britain is lady Gaga, Rome is Beyoncé and

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

2 hours ago, SISTERV said:

Yes.....the Irish slave trade. An estimated 1.25 million Irish people were enslaved in North Africa (primarily Algiers) during the 16th,17th,and 18th centuries by African leaders. (This does not include many other people of European descent who were traded in African countries during this era)

-Another fact: white people didn't enslave free black people in Africa. Their African leaders had already enslaved them and primarily Jewish whites brought them to America by trading them from African leaders who had already enslaved them.

-Another fact: the first recorded slave owner in America was a black man named Anthony Johnson (1600-1670) who was sold by Muslim traders and brought to Virginia. His family had over 200 black slaves and he had a legal battle that was the first recorded legal battle because he was caught lying about his indentured servants who were supposed to be set free after seven years, but he would entrap them. 

Another fact: Despite over 400 laws by the United States Federal government to ensure equal opportunity for blacks (specifically the African descent population, which is technically unconstitutional to specify a minority), the poverty rate for people of African descent has stayed relatively the same for nearly 60 years now, inferring it's less of a "white advantage" thing and more a cultural issue that the black community has not addressed itself. 

The imagery created by textbooks in classrooms would have you think that white men caused this problem, but the actual factual history points that albeit whites took part in slavery and racism, pretty much all of the world (outside of Asia) was involved involved in the slave trade. And it was explicitly because of profit and power. People weren't enslaving each other because they hated a race, more so because they saw a specific territory that was financially and technologically weaker and they took advantage of it. 

Modern racism as we know it didn't really kick off until after the Civil War. Pre Civil War the south didn't hate blacks, they needed them and abused them. After the civil war racism became a sentiment that people hated blacks because it was their fault the north won and the confederation went down. It wasn't about financial gain anymore, but hatred of the race itself.

After social change began in the 20th Century which would bring about a cultural overhaul, people wanted to get rid of this sentiment that blacks had wronged the south and had to be separated. So that change took place beginning in the 50s and 60s. This was a good thing. 

However, the U.S. Federal government didn't ever allow black people to assimilate into society the way Italians, Irish, Jewish, Asian, or even gay people now have. Why? For some reasons, (and this is true) law after law after law in the 70s and 80s and 90s kept throwing money specifically at the black population creating kind of a welfare as kind of a "white guilt" thing. It was kind of giving them reparations. 

In the long haul this has done nothing for the black community in the states except keep them primarily in poverty and dependent on the government. Most African Americans were republicans up until the 1960s because they were culturally in line with tradition and Christianity. But when the welfare programs pushed primarily by democrats began....mostly black people became democrat voters. They were benefitting from the system for once, and I don't blame them. The situation they were put in was shitty. But unintended consequences led the breakdown of the black family, led the black community away from pushing themselves economically by creating wealth and business, and the government just kept making it easier for them to fail because if they didn't promise handouts, candidates would lose votes. 

On the flip side, many whites (who came here on Ellis Island and had nothing to do with slavery) were forced into tough economic situations and were not given handouts because of their race or how they were tortured by European governments. They had to succeed on their very own. And that's why at that period you see a lot of Jewish American, Irish American, and Italian American businesses booming. They didn't have a safety net like African Americans were given so they had to make money. 

And now, a lot of black people think it is just white people succeeding because they are white and black people aren't succeeding because of their race. It's really not racism. It's also not completely black peoples fault. But blacks need to recognize that the government has just used them for votes over the years and they don't really care about their culture or race. That's why when Bernie or Hillary sit up there and say they are for black lives matters and handing out more stuff to "make things equal" I call bullshit. It's the same stuff over and over again. They are two white people who have been in politics for decades who are in it to win it and continue being part of a political group that makes money off tax dollars. They start shouting about equality every time there is an election, promising handouts, equality. But history shows throwing other people's money at an artificial policy on a document doesn't change ****. 

Black people have to want to come up by themselves without the help of government. Just like every other race, European, Asian, etc has had to. And if you don't believe this is what has happened, look how the democrats are sucking up to Latinos right now, another minority they want to control. Are they telling Latinos to be lifted up? No....the democrats say: They are willing to work the shitty jobs white people DONT want to work, let them! That's only fair. Really? I call that REAL racism for political profit. 

 

too lazy didn't read, the Irish slaves weren't enslaved because they were white nor did it have an impact to any current issues Irish people have. 

 

Also African slaves had basic human rights whereas when white people controlled them they were treated as the lowest of the low. When African leaders gave slave to colonialist Britian and other white Devils, they actually expected them to be treated kinda decently. typical white devil logic trying to blame African leaders. White devil logic is always trying to absolve themselves from treating blacks badly by blaming black people!!!

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4 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

"Black history", not "American history". Last I checked, the black people in question are Americans.

black people were brought to America against their will. all African Americans are descendants of slaves who came from all parts of Africa 

[Sizzily 14,543]

27 minutes ago, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

too lazy didn't read, the Irish slaves weren't enslaved because they were white nor did it have an impact to any current issues Irish people have.

I'm not arguing with you about the main issue, but if you treat someones argument like that, why the hell should anyone take yours seriously? 

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53 minutes ago, Sizzliy said:

I'm not arguing with you about the main issue, but if you treat someones argument like that, why the hell should anyone take yours seriously? 

I'm on phone you really think I'm gonna read 40 paragraphs. I make mine short one liners not books, be realistic 

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11 hours ago, ShockPop said:

"White people" which ones? Does that include me? But I am oppressed daily. Wait, is it ok for me to be oppressed as a white man, but if I categorized myself as a gay man, suddenly that's discrimination?

Equality is equality, not special privileges for those that feel "oppressed". No millionaire actor is oppressed. Don't be ridiculous. Either I'm equal as a gay man, or I'm the oppressive majority as a white man. Which is it this week?

I'm also Italian and Romanian gypsy if that makes me any less white, which it doesn't.

Where is Asian history month, aboriginal history month, ginger history month, Spanish history month etc. Why black? Because the racism debate has elevated one particular race above all others, yet the oppression card is used.

You know, I can't even lock my car doors when a gang of unsavoury acting black teenagers are around because it's "racist". It's NOT RACIST I'd they look like they're going to car Jack you. Regardless of their race. Am I expected to invite them in for a cup of tea?! But when a black professional man does the same near a gang of white teenagers, it's because they're unsavoury looking. Why isn't he also accused of racism?!

If equality was the goal, highlighting separation would be axed. Unfortunately equality isn't the goal.

Racism does not apply to white people though  

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Another reason why no one would care about this  

[Chump 1,093]

She's right, doing an award show for black people is tolerant? #BETsSoBlack