cookmyeggs 173 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I created an account just to reply here because I am so ****ing pissed off. The CVP/PDC are so clever. They create their initiative for an equal taxation between married couples and non-married ones, which EVERYONE agrees should be a thing, and they sneakily define marriage as a contract "between a man and a woman". Now that law, if accepted by the people, would prevent another future law allowing same-sex marriage to be passed. I just don't know what to do. I'll make sure to tell absolutely everyone I know to vote no, but with this equal taxation thing everyone's gonna say yes and I feel like we already lost... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiphEret 1,320 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 honestly the way they do it is a **** move... Sur le sable sur la neige, Sur les images dorées,Sur le front de mes amis, J’écris ton nom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIVA 666 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 This is so sad!!! I was in Switzerland a couple summers ago, and it quickly became my favorite country I had ever been in. It's so well maintained and stunningly beautiful. There's also amazing history everywhere. This is so saddening though. I didn't realize gay marriage wasn't already legal there, and the fact that it could be banned by misinformed and ignorant people in power is terrible. Best wishes Switzerland. We're all Stronger Together! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlue 806 Posted January 17, 2016 Author Share Posted January 17, 2016 20 hours ago, Daredevil said: I live in Bern, I'm 19 but I'm actually Portuguese. I could do the Swiss Pass, but then I have to do the military, so I don't even mind not being able to vote Ah ok I see I really don't want to do the military service... 20 hours ago, ShockPop said: Wait, so they're ok with euthanasia but not 2 men getting married? There is not a face Palm powerful enough... They're ok with 2 men having a registered partnership... But idk why they can't imagine gay mariage and I dont' get why people would want to write in the swiss Constitution that a marriage would only be between a man and a woman... I've seen on internet that 71% of the swiss people would allow same-sex couples to marry and adopt children but I'm only afraid because maybe they'll vote to pay less and they won't think about equality... 20 hours ago, Kayla said: I really hope the results are in favor of love and acceptance. Stay strong, OP! Even if they turn down equality now, there's no doubt that equality is where the world is heading. We will all get there one day if we keep supporting the right things. I hope so! I will stay strong and yes I think like you! I'm sure that one day we'll have the possibility to marry in Switzerland! I hope that I'll still be alive haha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlue 806 Posted January 17, 2016 Author Share Posted January 17, 2016 23 hours ago, spasmodiccookie said: I created an account just to reply here because I am so ****ing pissed off. The CVP/PDC are so clever. They create their initiative for an equal taxation between married couples and non-married ones, which EVERYONE agrees should be a thing, and they sneakily define marriage as a contract "between a man and a woman". Now that law, if accepted by the people, would prevent another future law allowing same-sex marriage to be passed. I just don't know what to do. I'll make sure to tell absolutely everyone I know to vote no, but with this equal taxation thing everyone's gonna say yes and I feel like we already lost... Yes! You really explained the situation very well! I'm really scared of what could happen... 22 hours ago, DIVA said: This is so sad!!! I was in Switzerland a couple summers ago, and it quickly became my favorite country I had ever been in. It's so well maintained and stunningly beautiful. There's also amazing history everywhere. This is so saddening though. I didn't realize gay marriage wasn't already legal there, and the fact that it could be banned by misinformed and ignorant people in power is terrible. Best wishes Switzerland. Yes it's really sad... I hope it won't pass I hope people will inform themself of what could happen and how bad it will be... And I don't see a lot of politicians speaking about what could happen if it's accepted I would love to see people doing that kind of video for Switzerland! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookmyeggs 173 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 On 17 January 2016 at 8:12 PM, MrBlue said: I would love to see people doing that kind of video for Switzerland! I saw somewhere on the "avançons ensemble" website that they're looking for people to shoot some short movies, so maybe this will be a thing. (http://www.avancons-ensemble.ch) And apparently nearly all other political parties oppose the initiative, that make me a little more hopeful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lona Delery 7,227 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I'm actually pretty sure that this wont get through. There are so many people who are against it, exactly because of that. Sometimes it feels like I've got a war in my mind, I wanna get off but I keep riding the ride Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlue 806 Posted January 19, 2016 Author Share Posted January 19, 2016 16 hours ago, spasmodiccookie said: I saw somewhere on the "avançons ensemble" website that they're looking for people to shoot some short movies, so maybe this will be a thing. (http://www.avancons-ensemble.ch) And apparently nearly all other political parties oppose the initiative, that make me a little more hopeful Oh that's really great! I didn't know about the existence of that website! I really hope it will be helpfull 16 hours ago, Plantzombie said: I'm actually pretty sure that this wont get through. There are so many people who are against it, exactly because of that. Really? It warms my heart! I've seen a lot of people (even some "friends") saying that they want to vote yes for it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lona Delery 7,227 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 29 minutes ago, MrBlue said: Oh that's really great! I didn't know about the existence of that website! I really hope it will be helpfull Really? It warms my heart! I've seen a lot of people (even some "friends") saying that they want to vote yes for it... Yep every big party, except SVP and CVP, are against it. And even CVP members are quite indifferent about it Sometimes it feels like I've got a war in my mind, I wanna get off but I keep riding the ride Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlue 806 Posted January 19, 2016 Author Share Posted January 19, 2016 Yep every big party, except SVP and CVP, are against it. And even CVP members are quite indifferent about it I really hope people will think about what's good for our society and vote against that initiative! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlue 806 Posted January 22, 2016 Author Share Posted January 22, 2016 On 18/1/2016 at 9:29 PM, Plantzombie said: I'm actually pretty sure that this wont get through. There are so many people who are against it, exactly because of that. http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/suisse/story/Oui-a-l-egalite-des-couples-maries-et-au-Gothard-12348177 It already makes me sick... 67% would say yes according to the survey... I can't... How people would say yes to that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaMonster 1,806 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I would be very surprised if a country like Switzerland limited marriages to opposite-sex couples on the basis of conservative traditional values. Can you elaborate more on the link between economical mechanism and marriages in Switzerland ? Or an article about that might help too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lona Delery 7,227 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 6 minutes ago, AlphaMonster said: I would be very surprised if a country like Switzerland limited marriages to opposite-sex couples on the basis of conservative traditional values. Can you elaborate more on the link between economical mechanism and marriages in Switzerland ? Or an article about that might help too. In Switzerland theres the problem that in some cases, a married couple pays more taxes than an unmarried couple does. Now the christian party in Switzerland wants to get rid of that, which is actually a good thing besides that around 2 billion swiss francs would be missing in the budget. Now since theyre the Christian party, they try to make marriage a "relationship between man and woman", which would get accepted together with the erasure of unequality concerning the taxes. So its actually just a fraud. The article @MrBlue linked also states that those numbers are to take w/ a grain of salt, since those can change drastically as they also did in the past. Sometimes it feels like I've got a war in my mind, I wanna get off but I keep riding the ride Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lona Delery 7,227 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 http://www.watson.ch/!559969543?utm_medium=owned&utm_source=twitter&utm_rainbowunicorn=0&utm_campaign=share-tracking It got rejected.Good day for the LGBT community @MrBlue Sometimes it feels like I've got a war in my mind, I wanna get off but I keep riding the ride Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookmyeggs 173 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 That was so close, I'm so relieved... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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