I hate that Gaga isn't taken seriously by some (still) ...

[Koreku 2,387]

There's no need to try and open the sheeps's eyes.  

[XoXoJoanneGaga 629]

She's taken plenty seriously for the kind of artist she is, especially after all the accolades she's received in the past year. I mean come on, she's a pop star and a great vocalist, and she's been praised and rewarded a million times over for both of those things, and she just won a Golden Globe for her first acting role that she got mixed reviews for . What more could you ask for when she's 7 years into her career? Sorry but I don't see the need for these victim complex topics which just devolve into self-congratulatory circle-jerking, especially when you use the death of a legend as the catalyst for it.

[MonsterMum 2,532]

You people are forgetting something and that's the zeitgeist in which these 2 people were are their peak.

Gaga is put under a microscope, digital era where people that don't follow her will hear or see her on the tele or internet regardless. Add to it the fact that everyone thinks their own opinion really matters to the world and you create the negative and sceptical society Gaga often talks about. Besides that everything has been said and done before by the likes of David Bowie for example so it's not easier for an artist to be and stay big. There is far more scrutiny for the young ones out there cause every fart is put on twitter for the world on display, 24/7. If she would try to pull off these things like Bowie did and many more artists of that era, her carreer would have been gone out of the window a long time ago.

Back in those days over exposure like Gaga had was not really a thing. You could not track really where your artist was unless you were deep into the circle of fan groups. There was a big turmoil in the 80s in the UK, people and especially young people in the 70s and 80s wanted to revulse themselves from the society all over the world, sexual revolution was in it's heydays and Bowie attracted a lot of traction from that as well with his genderbending androgynous appearance and bisexuality. The mystique around him could last for so long cause he changed appearance and his style but it was not possible for everyone to dissect every move cause there was no internet to do so, the furtest you could go back in those days is write to the papers about it and if you were lucky they would print your letter. But with so much going on in those days, remember cold war etc, people had other matters on their minds then writing about David Bowie to their local news papers. So his persona stood perfectly on a pedestal for years, untouched by the opinions of the masses and media, there was no preying on artists like now. So the era Bowie established himself helped a lot, regardless of what you think about his music.

[flopheart 1,865]

We'll see in 30 years

[HOTRODSGAGA 81]

I'm pretty sure king bowie had his fair share of haters back in the day

[Didymus 34,379]

You're not being truthful..

David was constantly hated for pretty much the same things Gaga's hated for in his own golden days, most explicitly for the copying of other artists.

As for the people who don't take Gaga seriously: they just have different standards. You can never try to prove them wrong, because they simply fail to be impressed by anything you can show them. She's not exactly unfathomably superior to anyone else in any of her disciplines and she did borrow a lot from older decades (ample food for people to say she just stole everything from people like Bowie and therefore is an inferior artist), so if a person is just genuinely not impressed by her you also have to respect and accept that and maybe see where they are coming from. If they don't have good arguments, you can try to change their minds but if it doesn't work out.. so what?

Maybe the shocking truth is that quality is subjective. I know on this forum it's almost a forbidden thing to say but maybe there's a possibility that people just genuinely are not impressed by her. The end.

[caseymonster 424]

Bowie is a pioneer. But gaga is superior to him artistically

[LaLuna 12,732]

Eh. Every celebrity has haters. Just ignore them. We as fans know the extent of Gaga's talent, and in the past year or so, a lot of people have opened their eyes as well. If some people wanna hate, let them. It doesn't change the fact that Gaga still won that award.

[Nemo 4,291]

The hatred over among some Madonna fans is real (and ironic). I had to unfollow an old friend today, I couldn't take it anymore.

[XoXoJoanneGaga 629]

17 minutes ago, caseymonster said:

Bowie is a pioneer. But gaga is superior to him artistically

 How did your hands not explode after typing this?

[freebit 6,240]

Bowie came up in a different time. He did get his fair share of criticisms and hatred, but as others have said, it was harder to gauge reactions the way we do now. I remember reading this interview many years ago, and he talked about the time he toured in the southern US in the 70s and how he didn't feel very welcome at all (in fact he mentioned how he ran into these dudes who wanted to kick his ass). Plus there was that dry period in the 80s where he was kind of written off and panned. It took him until the 90s to fully get his cred back, and even then there's an article out there detailing how he was booed by Nine Inch Nails fans back during The Outside tour... which is just crazy when you think about it because he was David Bowie. 

Anyway, everything always looks better in hindsight. There's no doubt that there is some sexism going on there too, and also the fact that she makes dance pop, which isn't the most respected genre out there, especially compared to rap, indie rock, and harder, more esoteric forms of EDM. She's in the unique position where she's not Bjork, but she's not making Max Martin radio fodder either, she's somewhere in the middle. I think this splits a lot of people's decision on her because she might not be ~edgy~ enough for the snobby, too-cool-for-school types, but too weird/edgy for the Ariana Grande lovers too. When she's at her best she's able to directly appeal to both these groups though, but it's still a tricky line to straddle.

I think she has more than proved herself, but there's always going to be someone with an opinion out there. I mean, even after self-titled and near perfect PR, even Beyonce still has haters. I think the closet celeb I can think of that shares the same sort of polarity as Gaga is Angelina Jolie (I remember there being this widely circulated article criticizing Angelina after she came forward about her mastectomy, which just gave me a Pawsdwn tea in its insane criticism). Sometimes there's public figures who are just never going to have universal appeal or be respected by the majority until they become elderly or pass away. 

[Schwerk 7,243]

I kinda like it actually. It's been that way since the start and I love how everytime I can have these 'Told ya!' moments. She's a legend in the making. In a decade they'll all see what we saw from the start.

I also don't mind it because Gaga seems to be in a good place now where she can handle whatever comes her way a lot better without it hurting herself.

[Didymus 34,379]

I think the "problem" is that Gaga's music is simply inferior to the talent that people always yell around. TF and TFM were wicked but then it went south and the "she's an extraordinary talent" thing just didn't fly anymore. You have to show it in your music first. Gaga herself alluded to that in her Billboard interview: "Is it really about the talent? I think for Adele it is. I think for Bruno Mars it is. This is what I learned from Tony: if it's not about the talent, you're way off." (paraphr.)

I think she'll be safe from the more oblivious hate if she actually makes albums that are appreciated outside of a half-deluded stanbase that'll just think anything she does is perfect. 'cause even if she's gonna be recognized as a talent in later decades, I think that with this particular catalogue behind her, I think she'd always get the "too bad her music was so inferior" comment as well. I mean, anyone who seriously thinks that BTW or ARTPOP will be seen as extraordinary records in the future is just being crazy.

[politicqxs 358]

I don't think any pop star has been, is being, or will ever be taken seriously.. Except by the hardcore fans. 

[Celina 118]

People who didn't give her credit without even giving her a chance used to annoy me (still do to an extent), but tbh I don't care anymore. Not my loss. Not yours either. Not something Gaga needs to worry about at this point in her career anyway.   Besides, I can't think of one artist who isn't or wasn't unfairly hated at some point...

 

These days, the main thing that annoys me most about "haters" in general is the whole idea that it's cool to rain on someone's parade when they're just minding their own business and enjoying themselves, you know? That's just a **** move. If it's not your cup of tea and what you're saying isn't at all constructive or respectful, you don't have to go to the damn parade. Rain elsewhere, if you must.

It's just, if someone is gushing over something that makes them happy, they shouldn't have to worry about hearing tactless negativity (especially if it's off-base). Live and let live. Okay, rant over.