Didymus 34,379 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 7 hours ago, LebaneseDude said: Also this statements reeks of ethnocentrism. How? Anyway, if I'm wrong feel free to present to me why that is. I'm not afraid to be proven wrong, but your post is not exactly trying to engage with what I said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanko 9,860 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 21 hours ago, Alex C said: "...ask your gay friends their advice, before you" Even tho I understand that she is being sarcastic towards women who base their aesthetic on "yes-men" who happen to be gay most of the times, her tone in that line felt.... "let's include a lyric so that the str8 fans feel I am not in the BTW era/mentality anymore" donatella is the gayest song ive ever heard in my life Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexanderLevi2 5,849 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I should have went to bed an hour ago. To me, it sounds like a lot of talking and not enough listening. If someone is going to critique your critique of a blonde pop star, you can't be defensive. Also, she's 29. A LOT OF PEOPLE CONTRADICT THEMSELVES IN THEIR 20S. It's normal. Currently listening to Joanne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sizzily 14,543 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Tbh, not here for SJWga. She's done (and is continuing to do) her part. I don't want her music to be overtaken by politics. inb4 "Manspreading feat. Anita Sarkeesian" Tears in the rain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackTheTripper 866 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 11 hours ago, Emigrante said: @JackTheTripper What do you have against her and punk/rebellion thing? She definetly is a rebel, in the terms of being pop artist she steps out of a box. But she really couldnt be more far away from punk/ anarchy... look for someone who is branded as the worlds biggest celebrity and worlds richest pop star she is unnofficially banned from calling herself punk.... What is she gonna do wear 25 000$ leather jacket and add guitars to her records? . Listen, I love punk as a music and the whole movment, but i dont think she really understands what it means to be a punk, and if she decides to go on that route she will just be a poser Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackTheTripper 866 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I didnt want to sound mean, i like her and she had a few punk moments, but this subject is really close to my heart and i have grew up around punk crowd who where hard core in their ideals, and i dont want her to just use this addjective without real supstance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreyw 4,285 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 21 hours ago, Bambino said: I'm just gonna say that I haven't been taking anything she says seriously. And it's been like that for a while now. She contradicts herself so much. She makes a lot of what she does sound complicated. Like, is it so hard for her to keep things simple when they should be? And no, simple isn't always boring. Also, she says she's something then she does the complete opposite of it. She's talented but sometimes she should just stop. Either be who you really say you are, or try the hardest not to contradict yourself because it doesn't make you look good. But then again, who doesn't do all that? Everyone is like that but not everyone has millions of fans who follow you and look up to you. just do it like me, don't bother hearing / reading what she says Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DietCoke 386 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I love this thread, thank you OP! As someone who's studying political science and has learned about intersectional Feminsim, gender issues, and different race issues, I think my biggest issue with her statements is that they seem one-sided and half-baked. I do think she's political, and I also think the politics she embodies are left-wing (which, YAAAAS). But, it's focused almost completely on gay rights. Born This Way (the song and album) was a beautiful introduction to a political side I've craved from her ever since. Sure, the statements on immigration were a bit jumbled and the statements on feminism a little superficial, but she was young. I understand her passion was rooted with the gay community because of her fans and the people around her. The fact she didn't grow on that is upsetting, but I get it, considering the personal struggles she endured during the BTW Ball and ARTPOP. Even then, I think we forget she was a YOUNG female pop artist putting out an album filled with politics, BEFORE we saw a strong rise in talk of gay rights, trans rights, intersectional Feminsim, gender, and racial inequalities. That entire era was so large and overarching, I think it paved the way for a lot of the political statements artists make today. So yes, she is political, but it's selective. In the end, she has always stated that her ART is her main focus; she's not a politician, even if politics have bled into her work. I don't think she's ever explicitly called herself a political artist, but rather a pop artist. Being a pop artist implies involvement in popular culture, and politics can be in popular culture. TL;DR/ During the creation of BTW, she was unabashedly reacting to the times; those times included political unrest. In the end, that doesn't make HER a political artist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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