The -now lost- Political Gaga + her Radical Art

[Didymus 34,380]

34 minutes ago, DrewStevens said:

You should check the 5th post on this thread. It's in the first page, right before yours. Maybe after that you can understand how pointless is your argument against me for supposedly not addressing any of the points made by the OP. 

Now hopefully you have realized that those two posts where you based your judgement on my understanding are not my actual response to the OP and they are just responses to certain posts after I addressed almost every important point of the OP in my actual first post.

In my first reply to you I said that examining her behavior wasn't wrong as long as we didn't have to get to the point if insulting her. Now you're saying that you were not trying to insult her but in your second reply to me you literally said "well, that's an insult, but you can't zoom in on the insult without taking into account what the insult is for". So what's the truth?

I didn't get personal or heated until you said that you had to explain your point in many times so people like me who just ignore points could understand it. How is that not personal and rude? So no, I wasn't the one who started with the rude attitude and with te personal comments. 

Maybe you don't mean to be rude but when you say that you have to be super explicit to someone so they understand is like talking extremely slowly to a person so they can understand like if they were mentally challenged or stupid.

My perspective was clear and it was that in my opinion no one can dictate what is right and what is wrong. I never said that you were dictating what she had to do.

I do have a perspective about her social behavior and her activism, I just didn't use it as an argument because I don't mean to change your perspective. 

I didn't start this to win. I'm not trying to make you look bad or play the victim either. I just defended myself because I felt like you were mocking everything I said that didn't match with your point of view.

I apologize if I offended you but in my opinion there was no need for so much negativity and insults.

Well **** I didn't see that fifth post indeed That's stupid of me.

Of course that had little to do with everything else because you didn't respond that way to my posts, though now you've explained that you had no problem with my views except that I insulted Gaga. I still don't think I insulted her in that post. It was an insult, but the post said something different and I stand by that. In fact, I just explained why I call her out for being stupid in other threads because of the reason that I elaborated here ("That's when I call her out for..."). The intention of that post was not to insult Gaga, it was just one sentence that I found ridiculous to take out of the context of my posts (wherein I said that I wasn't gunning for her repeatedly). So the truth is still the same, in my opinion.

What I meant with "people like you" is people who pick out one sentence to jump on that, ignoring the rest of what I said. It's not a dig at your intelligence, I'm just used to people doing that here when I'm criticizing something Gaga-related. If you weren't trying to do that, fine (though I think there's no mistaking in that regard since you said the entire thread was spiralling down into one big bashfest just because of one sentence, which I still think was a very ignorant and lazy thing to say, mostly because it just was blatantly untrue and you then ignored my explanation for why my posts were actually on-topic later), but that was my impression.

I'm absolutely fine with you, I have no personal problems or anger towards you at all btw so really, I wasn't trying to be rude, I just get easily agitated when I feel like people aren't trying to understand what I'm saying and choose to focus on details that I myself don't even find important, breaking up the mood and dynamic in the thread.

Btw: "I never said that you were dictating what she had to do."

I got that impression because of this post: "And yes, we are probably not going to agree at the end because I don't think anyone can dictate what's the right thing to do." I thought that was a reference to what I was doing.

+ "If you are not dictating anything then why do you say that Gaga is receiving wrong credentials? "

Well, this just went bad. I probably should've just ignored your "this thread is derailing" comment and I only reacted because I most definitely saw that as an attempt to make me look bad. I just tried to explain my point of view then and from then on things got sour because you didn't seem to want to let go of the idea that I was insulting Gaga or distinguishing right from wrong, no matter how many times I said that wasn't my intention.

So anyway, now we know no one really had the intention for all this **** to happen, so that's fine for me..

[JackTheTripper 866]

well now that was intense... we all got a bit emotional there . Anyway  maybe we got  18 instead of 16 covers--- how bout that for a contradiction... just kiding, love you guys! we all had to get it out of our system

[EssenceOfPop 215]

Man, you hit home. The entirety of this, or mostly of it, is accurate, I have tears in my eyes.

However, stating that ARTPOP was playing it safe, wut, lol. Gurl, that album was comprised of overwhelming ART and literally pushing it over the GP to the point where they just tossed the masterpiece away. I mean if you really focus on the lyrics in ARTPOP, that isn't 'safe' material and it most certainly isn't non-flashy. If anything it was the opposite of safe, that album was so artsy-flashy and pop culture oriented that it created a backlash, I mean all the blogs at that time tore Gaga to pieces because of her thrusting the ART AGENDA on people that everyone just dubbed her pretentious and art-crazy.

Anyway, ARTPOP was passion incarnate. But I agree on everything else you have effortlessly stated. Thanks for the discussion!

[venusian 4,686]

someone simplify this book please

[XoXoJoanneGaga 629]

5 hours ago, ROARyals said:

Gaga knew risking her career for the gays would not be okay for the GP, she said something to he effect of "this era will bring out my true fans", and so it has-she lost so many fans during that era, because "she became too preachy." She even lost a-would-be-iconic tour, even way before the BTW era, w/ Kanye West over "her gayness". Therefore I totally disagree with her not wanting to be seen as a gay right activist-no way-she's risked and lost, and now people are finally (and thankfully) starting to see how she was right.

I'm pretty sure the tour fell through because of the Taylor Swift incident. I could be misremembering, but regardless it would have been incredible 

[Evan Peters 10,749]

when will ya'll shut up about donatella and accept that it's a satire song. this has been stated so many times  

[Warholian 6,880]

24 minutes ago, Evan Peters said:

when will ya'll shut up about donatella and accept that it's a satire song. this has been stated so many times  

but it was so homofobic and it hurt my feeling! whats a satire

[StarstruckIllusion 52,916]

41 minutes ago, CoCo1 said:

I'm pretty sure the tour fell through because of the Taylor Swift incident. I could be misremembering, but regardless it would have been incredible 

That was a major factor too. Kanye did make a lot of people pressed lmao. But that night made Taylor's career so 

[Mast 980]

4 hours ago, EssenceOfPop said:

Man, you hit home. The entirety of this, or mostly of it, is accurate, I have tears in my eyes.

However, stating that ARTPOP was playing it safe, wut, lol. Gurl, that album was comprised of overwhelming ART and literally pushing it over the GP to the point where they just tossed the masterpiece away. I mean if you really focus on the lyrics in ARTPOP, that isn't 'safe' material and it most certainly isn't non-flashy. If anything it was the opposite of safe, that album was so artsy-flashy and pop culture oriented that it created a backlash, I mean all the blogs at that time tore Gaga to pieces because of her thrusting the ART AGENDA on people that everyone just dubbed her pretentious and art-crazy.

Anyway, ARTPOP was passion incarnate. But I agree on everything else you have effortlessly stated. Thanks for the discussion!

What wasn't safe about it tho? Give me examples. The reason why the GP dismissed it was because it sounded like dated EDM. Which it was. The only fresh songs were DWUW and G.U.Y, and both of those songs not only had concepts that have been used before, but were also very much marketed toward radio play. The only reason they didn't smash was because Gaga waited too long to make DWUW the single.

[Gardevoir 9,863]

6 hours ago, Bae said:

Or when she calls herself a rebel 

@JackTheTripper

What do you have against her and punk/rebellion thing? 

[Shaney 5,515]

9 minutes ago, Emigrante said:

@JackTheTripper

What do you have against her and punk/rebellion thing? 

Nothing I just don't think shes a rebel

[Gardevoir 9,863]

@Bae

Well she kinda is. Considering what she's doing in pop business.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

14 hours ago, Didymus said:

I have no shame in saying that: artists who support gays nowadays don't run a risk of being ostracized

The landscape has changed radically in a few years, so I'm not shocked people would say this in retrospect even though it's blatantly wrong.

Also this statements reeks of ethnocentrism.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

Gaga has never been focused on being political.

She always infuses statements in her music and some are simply more politically inclined than others.

Although I do get where you're coming from. 

[Puddin 1,209]

15 hours ago, ItsVenusBitch said:

Tbh she reminds me of White Feminism, her approach tends to focus on a specific class of people at a time and with fervor while completely disregarding entire other groups of people, even when they are related to other classes  

I love ha to death, but this right here, is so true.