Why do we care so much about the commercial success?!

[Twitter 14]

YES! I want Gaga to have the music and the bling! 

[deeman 189]

11 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said:

Music can generate money. But money comes and goes, whereas music is eternal. 

So if you eat music does it grow back like money?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63zSjR_nhNI

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

29 minutes ago, deeman said:

So if you eat music does it grow back like money?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63zSjR_nhNI

Who says money grows? Money is an illusion.

[JackTheTripper 866]

You know who sells the most? not the best or the most talented musicans, rather  those whoa re promoted the most, and those almost newer had anythng to do with their music, they are puppets from recording labels, who sign cntracts with other industries for public placement, everyone aorund them gets use beause they bring cash, they dont have any integrity and its clearly not about music, when you get older you seem to realize those things, and you simply dont care abour some peopla. JUST EBACUSE THE MEDIA TELLS YOU THEY ARE IMPORTANT AND YOU SHOULD BUY THEIR MUSIC. gaga use to be cash machine, beacuse people around her saw her as lucrattive deal.  also you should asked yourself why are you being so easily manipulated....  YOU CANT ENYJOY MUSIC, UNLESS MEAINSTREAM MEDIA  TELLS YOU ITS GOOD?   like someone sadi if you are here on her succec train you are not fan, beacuse you will only support her if she is being commericaly succesfull--- and in that cas she will not be responible for her music or her artistic choices....

My advice. grow up, and build some opinion for yourself, and dont read  you tube comments

[Alex C 254]

[This was meant to be posted as a reply in "If LG5 flops will you still stan for Gaga?", but it matches this thread, too -- so I'll leave it]

Of course.

I am a huge fan of gags since The Fame. As a fellow singer/songwriter, not only I admired her creative visions, but I also loved the direction she was taking after each artistic 'era'. (by the way, "artistic era" =/= "album eras").

I don't want to bring negativity to this, but I have to get it off my chest, or I'll explode:

Please notice since when I am a member (and lurking even before that), and how many YEARS I have to regularly post.

This happened, because after Born This Way (a revolutionary album, with musical and lyrical masterpieces, that contained POLITICAL statements about marginalized groups, stated by NAME, and being in pop music/top 40/whatevs u call it), some "fans" started complaining because gaga was not universally praised, and the alberm was kinda polarizing, mostly inside the fanbase, which wants only SAFE, "revolutionary-but-not-so-much-or-we-will-lose-sales", "slaying" aesthetics produced by her. The little managers, as we call them.

Now: Since gaga herself, I'm sure, is taking notice of what the fanbase "collectively wants" (lolwut), unfortunately, she produced ARTPOP, which, in my opinion, was a "play-it-safe" Album by her.

I still cannot believe the inclusion of that homophobic lyric be her in Donatella. It was totally unnecessary. She tried to 'cancel' Born this Way, because so many of you whined that she became, not only "preachy" (?), but also TOO MUCH GAY ORIENTED, WHICH WOULD ALIENATE THE "GP", AS IF WE SHOULD CARE TO PLEASE THEM.

No matter the adversities she was going through, she sacrificed artistic visions in order to produce something safer. THAT was the biggest mistake she's made.

Gaga became the mega star she is today, because her music always had political, social, even revolt-leaning meanings, carefully hidden for the feeble minds. She caught the attention of other artists and similar left-leaning Thinkers, because of that.

Those factors just disappeared in ARTPOP.

I hope that LG5, will return even more politically charged, not only because that's what she IS as an artist, but also just to spite the bandwagoners, and the 'fans'/'stans' who want her to always be #1, and don't care if she sacrifices her true artistic visionary self.

P.S. After Born this Way, I falsely was expecting that she would dismiss those "fan" opinions regarding her thematology and lyrics, and produce an alberm that would be even more radical. I almost believed that ARTPOP would be something closer to old-school Rock, [in terms of lyrics mostly], by bringing some Anarchy, some revolution, some more radical approaches to get what we deserve in life.

P.S.2. If you don't believe that her hidden social commentary was that radial, go check blogs that analysed her videos and lyrics, and drew the same conclusions. It is NOT A COINCIDENCE, that those blogs didn't have much to say during the ARTPOP "era". Because ARTPOP was a safe thing. Only Aura, Venus, MANiCURE had some commentary, but kinda safe. (1) Aura never became a single, of course, and the final version was butchered. (2) Venus, the feminist anthem, was also canceled, of course, in the last minute. (3) MANiCURE was ignored.

English is not my 1st langugage. Please don't try it with me by being a grammar nazi, and try to argue about some points I've made. But not just for the sake of arguing - some of her fans, we're almost 30 and really don't have time for this romper-room-fvckerry.

love you, but on the other hand, "k-thnx-bai"

 

 

[Fiona Apple 13,006]

2 hours ago, JackTheTripper said:

You know who sells the most? not the best or the most talented musicans, rather  those whoa re promoted the most, and those almost newer had anythng to do with their music, they are puppets from recording labels, who sign cntracts with other industries for public placement, everyone aorund them gets use beause they bring cash, they dont have any integrity and its clearly not about music, when you get older you seem to realize those things, and you simply dont care abour some peopla. JUST EBACUSE THE MEDIA TELLS YOU THEY ARE IMPORTANT AND YOU SHOULD BUY THEIR MUSIC. gaga use to be cash machine, beacuse people around her saw her as lucrattive deal.  also you should asked yourself why are you being so easily manipulated....  YOU CANT ENYJOY MUSIC, UNLESS MEAINSTREAM MEDIA  TELLS YOU ITS GOOD?   like someone sadi if you are here on her succec train you are not fan, beacuse you will only support her if she is being commericaly succesfull--- and in that cas she will not be responible for her music or her artistic choices....

My advice. grow up, and build some opinion for yourself, and dont read  you tube comments

It doesn't really work like that anymore.People don't like puppets anymore.You see artists like Selena,Demi who are being promoted to helll this year selling only like 300k.

[Brooke Hoegan 1,018]

1. I care about Gaga being successful because I want her to be a legend one day.

2. You can't be a legend if people don't talk about you = you must be popular to be a legend.

3. You aren't popular if you have no or little commercial success.

Simple as that.
Do you know any huge legend who wasn't popular/successful back in the day ? Exactly.

[Lona Delery 7,214]

Because commercial success is important that we get good performances, high-budget music videos, high-budget tour etc.

[JackTheTripper 866]

No its not, just beacuse you spend two millions on a music video doesnt mean it potentiate its quallity or makes it more intersting, obviously our opinion is verry dieffrent when we are talking about quallity performance or music.... to me not everything has to be highly teatrcial if it has no meaning, actually when somebody spents a lot of manoey on big production just to ada more and more, it looks actually quite cheap.... 

[JackTheTripper 866]

You now when and why I actually become  a fan, back in the fame days, after a while dancing in a lotard with back up dancers becomes boring, however evry now and than, she would perform a  acoustic versions of all of her songs, for every high budget performance for pormotional value there would be on raw acoistic performance. Those probably dont have as many views on you tube, and probably cost less, but they are worth so so much more....  

[deeman 189]

3 hours ago, Alex C said:

Venus, the feminist anthem, was also canceled, of course, in the last minute.

Oh please no no no not a feminist anthem and if you want political any mention of land is always sure to cause a big problem for naturephobes. If you said MANiCURE was feminist then perhaps but it could also be a mgtow anthem. Too say ARTPOP isn't political is wrong it just isn't that which you support. 

[Katharine Hepburn 4,607]

This is why fanbases are so toxic

[Dominic 11,922]

I just posted something similar in another thread,  what is it with some Gaga fans and their superiority complex with those who care for success? 

She needs success to generate profit.  The more profit the label generates from Gaga then the higher the budget for promo,  performances,  music videos,  the capability to work alongside high profile and credible producers, do you see where I'm going with this? 

If Gaga fails to sell and her sales decrease over the years then the label will not invest as much into her and her ideas.   Meaning we wouldn't get any of these bigger performances or tours and we sure as hell would not be getting these high-profile jobs like editing V magazine.  Success equates to exposure which equals profit.   A business runs on profit.   Just because you (no one in particular,  generally)  do not bother to look behind the scenes does not mean you should criticise others who do.  

And I'm also going to leave this here: 

 

[deeman 189]

6 hours ago, Lord Temptation said:

Who says money grows? Money is an illusion.

Money grows on trees as they say. This is truth since all value is derived from nature and so money is a representation of nature such as the leaves of a tree are notes made of wood and coins are the shape of fruits hanging from the branches and electronic transactions flow thru the tree.

End Of Fear Exercise # 1
- Draw a Tree

It’s simple, just draw a tree. Do not read more until you’re finished drawing your tree.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Most people will draw the tree without the roots. We are conditioned to only see the surface of things but not inquire or look deeper or even think about the roots which are actually the real tree. Without the roots there can be no tree. Yes the roots are not pretty. To many they are covered in mud and darkness and that's the same with the root of our thoughts which is why we do not think they are there at all. But we must get past our fear conditioning of depth, dirt and darkness which is all the unknown. If we want to be psychologically free, which is why I made these exercises, to give you tools to navigate and to go to the roots exploring the unknown. Fears do not have to be scary they can be an exciting adventure, too.

[StrawberryBlond 14,776]

3 hours ago, CurlyBae said:

Receipts. You can't state something as a "fact" without proof..I mean it's obvious that her record company just wants to make money but she always speaks good words about interscope

It's just one of these things you know. It's backed up by everyone in the biz. Gaga herself even said that even now, she's still being told what to do by the industry. She said things about how the corporate music business think they own you and try to make you conform and are messing with these young artists dreams without even knowing what the f**k they're doing, even saying that "it's poison and it's killing young people." It's in that AP interview in the room with all those sheets, at the very end. Of course she'll say nice things about Interscope (every artist does if they want to stay signed!), but that doesn't mean she harbours some issues with them here and there.