Who is the best living female performer?

[MJHolland 12,723]

9 hours ago, ItsVenusBitch said:

Beyonce of those three. I have personal favorites, but she has theatricality, technical excellence (in both singing AND dancing) and amazing stage presence. I think if we had to rate people on those things, Beyonce would come out on top by quite a bit, as her singing and dancing tend to be much more consistent than lets say Gaga, and her endurance is legendary. The only vocal flaw I ever heard talked about in relation to Beyonce's voice is that she doesnt have a very unique tone quality, it's very replicate able

 

Exactly this. Her consistency and physical endurance will always amaze me.

Although Gaga does get points for her vocal range and versatility in performance type and also her ability to sit in front of a piano and smash a ballad out of the park.

[MJHolland 12,723]

37 minutes ago, ShockPop said:

She might as well have gone to mcdonald's during the choruses. The yelling is ridiculous. Is that dancing? You MUST be joking. It's all about posturing and having James Brown occasionally jump out.

I can't believe what you're saying 

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3 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Hmm.. no, I disagree. Madonna's legacy is more specific than "putting together a pop show that accidentally became a standard" imo. She brought provocation (also using fashion and religion as a specific shock element in the context of a pop performance - that's "identical" enough for me compared to what some pop girls are doing rn) to the table. I don't think that provoking an audience like Madonna has become a standard at all, actually.. Gaga has done her fair share of provocation, but looking at the fact that Gaga's uninnovative provocation moves were still received as shocking shows that Madonna's antics (shocking people using fashion, religion, support for gays, sexuality) are still largely effective.

I'm not saying she invented provocation, obviously, but if there's anything specific she brought to the table it's that, and from what I know, every pop star who uses provocation in their show credits Madonna as a major inspiration (remember that Gaga called herself the biggest Madonna fan in the whole world). Add to that that many pop star antics are directly linked to Madonna's achievements back in the day by journalists and music critics and I think it's fair to say that Madonna specifically left her mark, not just because she was the "first female pop star in general" (I mean whut, that's not true at all lol), but because she is remembered for a very specific brand of pop spectacle that still lives on today in some (not all) currents of pop performance.

I dunno. I'm the first one to say Madonna's most recent shows aren't in any way remarkable compared to her "peers" (the spectacle is just more expensive), but I would never say that she randomly and unconsciously slapped together the norm for a pop show without even trying to do something different - the amount of backlash and notoriety she received (and still receives) should be proof of that.

Yes, indeed, she did bring provocation into the live show game as something new which blew everyone away at that time. That's what I meant by saying that she is the first female pop star in the way that people know pop stars nowadays. Although, I believe that speaking openly about issues related to politics, sexuality and equality is, nowadays, just a basic human right. Of course, Madonna really was the rule-breaker at that time because it wasn't quite as common to do it as it is now. That's why being provocative in a show isn't something huge anymore. Everyone's just used to that and pop stars are becoming less and less comparable to Madonna cause everyone's gotta find their unique and different way of being interesting and entertaining to watch live. 

imo, the journalism comparisons are gonna be there always and for every pop star, because that's just what journalism and people love to do - compare two pop-stars, despite the comparisons being without any important point.

Oh and also, I'm not saying that M did it unconsciously or without trying to be different. But the amazing way she did it in did become a standard for pop-show.

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11 minutes ago, Grimezsz said:

Yes, indeed, she did bring provocation into the live show game as something new which blew everyone away at that time. That's what I meant by saying that she is the first female pop star in the way that people know pop stars nowadays. Although, I believe that speaking openly about issues related to politics, sexuality and equality is, nowadays, just a basic human right. Of course, Madonna really was the rule-breaker at that time because it wasn't quite as common to do it as it is now. That's why being provocative in a show isn't something huge anymore. Everyone's just used to that and pop stars are becoming less and less comparable to Madonna cause everyone's gotta find their unique and different way of being interesting and entertaining to watch live. 

imo, the journalism comparisons are gonna be there always and for every pop star, because that's just what journalism and people love to do - compare two pop-stars, despite the comparisons being without any important point.

Oh and also, I'm not saying that M did it unconsciously or without trying to be different. But the amazing way she did it in did become a standard for pop-show.

Ok, I get your point better now. Though I still don't quite agree with the "everyone's just used to it now" statement I mean, if everyone was used to it, so many things Gaga did would never have blown up, like the meat dress, the masturbation scene in MB 1.0, her costumes alone These are things that made her notorious and famous. And I only have to think about Madonna showing her nipple too to think that people still aren't used to it Or Miley

The only times when provocation tactics don't work (excluding things like Katy's Grammy performance: just ways to piss off the religious people - a group that gets so easily offended I don't think they should count here lmao) is when it has already been done and people remember it. I remember Gaga touching herself in the dentist chair in MB 1.0 caused a huge global media stir even though Madonna had faced comparable degrees of "omg did she really do this" attention back in 1989, doing the exact same thing. It still worked because the audience/public wasn't used to it (anymore). But still, already done. There is an important connection there for instance, so what's wrong with a journalist/critic noting it? Gaga obviously knows Madonna's career inside out, so seeing connections is not a bad thing imo. Like Madonna said herself: "I don't think Gaga copies me. She is she and I am me. [...] I think she references me a lot."

[ShockPop 7,747]

11 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

I can't believe what you're saying 

All that video shows is a lot of smoke, B standing singing parts, very simple choreo which she skipped out on most of it, and strutting. It's all just posturing. There is no evidence to suggest she knows the chorus to the track.

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You're all wrong because Kylie Minogue is the obvious answer 

[Didymus 34,379]

4 minutes ago, ShockPop said:

There is no evidence to suggest she knows the chorus to the track.

How embarrassing.

That's like saying Gaga's a horrible performer because she never sings the e-e-e-e-e's in Telephone.

[Didymus 34,379]

2 minutes ago, AdAstra said:

You're all wrong because Kylie Minogue is the obvious answer 

I didn't pick her because she's a bit ambivalent in terms of bringing it on stage imo  

But yeah, it's sad that she rarely gets mentioned here. A forgotten icon (on GGD).

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3 minutes ago, ShockPop said:

All that video shows is a lot of smoke, B standing singing parts, very simple choreo which she skipped out on most of it, and strutting. It's all just posturing. There is no evidence to suggest she knows the chorus to the track.

i'm sorry if u are but omg u can't be actually serious 

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Just now, Didymus said:

I didn't pick her because she's a bit ambivalent in terms of bringing it on stage imo  

But yeah, it's sad that she rarely gets mentioned here. A forgotten icon (on GGD).

She is my obsession lately. Being an American, I really didn't know anything by her except for Can't Get You Outta My Head then I discovered Get Outta My Way and I was hooked. The Aphrodite tour alone still blows me away every time. Her choreography is bar none in the pop world, in my opinion. 

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6 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Ok, I get your point better now. Though I still don't quite agree with the "everyone's just used to it now" statement I mean, if everyone was used to it, so many things Gaga did would never have blown up, like the meat dress, the masturbation scene in MB 1.0, her costumes alone These are things that made her notorious and famous. And I only have to think about Madonna showing her nipple too to think that people still aren't used to it Or Miley

The only times when provocation tactics don't work (excluding things like Katy's Grammy performance: just ways to piss off the religious people - a group that gets so easily offended I don't think they should count here lmao) is when it has already been done and people remember it. I remember Gaga touching herself in the dentist chair in MB 1.0 caused a huge global media stir even though Madonna had faced comparable degrees of "omg did she really do this" attention back in 1989, doing the exact same thing. It still worked because the audience/public wasn't used to it (anymore). But still, already done. There is an important connection there for instance, so what's wrong with a journalist/critic noting it? Gaga obviously knows Madonna's career inside out, so seeing connections is not a bad thing imo. Like Madonna said herself: "I don't think Gaga copies me. She is she and I am me. [...] I think she references me a lot."

well... I guess the provocations that Gaga's doing are not that provoking for me then cause I'm a huge Madge fan. 

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7 minutes ago, Grimezsz said:

i'm sorry if u are but omg u can't be actually serious 

Watch the videos. There is no performance. It's all about the producer.

[Didymus 34,379]

"She just goes through the motions."

"All style, no substance."

Everyone who knows what Beyoncé did for Chelsea knows she's legit.

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2 minutes ago, ShockPop said:

Watch the videos. There is no performance. It's all about the producer.

I've seen all of them. The one who should watch the videos is you, honey. 

[Bellatrix 34,639]

No one puts up a show like Madge