Syrian immigration to US quietly tops 100,000 since 2012

[Luiz 4,253]

A proposal to admit 10,000 Syrian refugees to the United States has ignited a bitter debate in Washington, but more than 10 times that number of people from the embattled country have quietly come to America since 2012, according to figures obtained by FoxNews.com.

Some 102,313 Syrians were granted admission to the U.S. as legal permanent residents or through programs including work, study and tourist visas from 2012 through August of this year, a period which roughly coincides with the devastating civil war that still engulfs the Middle Eastern country. Experts say any fears that terrorists might infiltrate the proposed wave of refugees from United Nations-run camps should be dwarfed by the potential danger already here.

“The sheer number of people arriving on all kinds of visas and with green cards, and possibly U.S. citizenship, makes it impossible for our counterterrorism authorities to keep track of them all, much less prevent them from carrying out attacks or belatedly try to deport them,” said Jessica Vaughan of the Center for Immigration Studies.

Numbers obtained from the U.S. Customs and Border Protection show 60,010 Syrian visa holders have entered the U.S. since 2012, including 16,245 this year through August. Additional numbers provided by a Congressional source showed another 42,303 Syrians were granted citizenship or green cards during the same period.

"It is highly unlikely that the 102,313 Syrians who were admitted over the past three years were effectively vetted," said spokesman Ira Mehlman, of the Federation for American Immigration Reform. "Even in countries where we have a strong diplomatic presence, the sheer volume of background checks being carried out precludes the kind of thorough vetting that is necessary."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/16/as-lawmakers-clash-over-refugees-syrian-immigration-quietly-tops-100000-since.html

 

[Luiz 4,253]

100,000 evil islamic jihadi syrians in our country over the course of 3 years. oh the horror they have created with all the terrorist attacks they've committed in our country so far  

[Didymus 34,380]

I'd also like to add that there is a significant lack of American Muslims joining IS and related terror groups. So far there hasn't really been scholarly enquiry about why exactly this is, but it's a very significant element in this whole conflict.

[Manul 7,377]

Justice for Trump tbh 

[Chic 20,830]

14 minutes ago, Didymus said:

I'd also like to add that there is a significant lack of American Muslims joining IS and related terror groups. So far there hasn't really been scholarly enquiry about why exactly this is, but it's a very significant element in this whole conflict.

Muslim culture and opinion is surely different in the United States than it is in countries dominated by IS. For instance, if an average, everyday Muslim family moves to the U.S, they are probably more likely to oppose the extremist values of the IS terrorists, which actively defy Western culture. This isn't to mention that if they agreed with those terroristic beliefs, they would have stayed in the IS-infested countries due to their similar mindsets. If someone is born into a Muslim family in the U.S., I'd assume they'd follow the beliefs of their parents' take on Islam. 

Also, I'm sure there is a significant percentage of American Muslims who go out of their way to present themselves non-stereotypically so as to not face chastization and racism.

Although, the terminology of American Muslims is rather broad. Americans who believe in IS values often proclaim their introduction to Islam as collateral conformity. Are you accounting this into it as well?

[Didymus 34,380]

6 minutes ago, Chic said:

Muslim culture and opinion is surely different in the United States than it is in countries dominated by IS. For instance, if an average, everyday Muslim family moves to the U.S, they are probably more likely to oppose the extremist values of the IS terrorists, which actively defy Western culture. This isn't to mention that if they agreed with those terroristic beliefs, they would have stayed in the IS-infested countries due to their similar mindsets. If someone is born into a Muslim family in the U.S., I'd assume they'd follow the beliefs of their parents' take on Islam. 

Also, I'm sure there is a significant percentage of American Muslims who go out of their way to present themselves non-stereotypically so as to not face chastization and racism.

Although, the terminology of American Muslims is rather broad. Americans who believe in IS values often proclaim their introduction to Islam as collateral conformity. Are you accounting this into it as well?

I only meant compared to European Muslims, and I'm talking about "home-grown" Muslims, not immigrants. It's possible that in the U.S. there is a much stronger tendency to follow parents' beliefs, because in Europe it's clear that, even though it's of course a minority that moves to IS territory, there's a different situation. Many scholars are focusing on social backgrounds and social situations (ex. not feeling "home" in Europe), but there's still a lot of confusion about it. It's just interesting that there's such a massive difference between the numbers of Muslims that leave their home to fight with/for IS between Europe and the States.

Was just an addition to what Luiz said.

[Melech 9,900]

2 minutes ago, Chic said:

Muslim culture and opinion is surely different in the United States than it is in countries dominated by IS. For instance, if an average, everyday Muslim family moves to the U.S, they are probably more likely to oppose the extremist values of the IS terrorists, which actively defy Western culture. This isn't to mention that if they agreed with those terroristic beliefs, they would have stayed in the IS-infested countries due to their similar mindsets. If someone is born into a Muslim family in the U.S., I'd assume they'd follow the beliefs of their parents' take on Islam. 

Also, I'm sure there is a significant percentage of American Muslims who go out of their way to present themselves non-stereotypically so as to not face chastization and racism.

Although, the terminology of American Muslims is rather broad. Americans who believe in IS values often proclaim their introduction to Islam as collateral conformity. Are you accounting this into it as well?

I think there isn't one "Muslim opinion" (Like there is no one christian,jewish etc opinion). The majority of Euro-Muslims joining ISIS because some of their poor situations. I include converts in that. The majority of Euro-Muslims is non-violent. 

 

[Chic 20,830]

Just now, Simon said:

I think there isn't one "Muslim opinion" (Like there is no one christian,jewish etc opinion). The majority of Euro-Muslims joining ISIS because some of their poor situations. I include converts in that. The majority of Euro-Muslims is non-violent. 

 

Well, I meant opinion in general, as in a group of opinions. I suspect regional difference to produce alterations in belief.

[Melech 9,900]

1 minute ago, Didymus said:

I only meant compared to European Muslims, and I'm talking about "home-grown" Muslims, not immigrants. It's possible that in the U.S. there is a much stronger tendency to follow parents' beliefs, because in Europe it's clear that, even though it's of course a minority that moves to IS territory, there's a different situation. Many scholars are focusing on social backgrounds and social situations (ex. not feeling "home" in Europe), but there's still a lot of confusion about it. It's just interesting that there's such a massive difference between the numbers of Muslims that leave their home to fight with/for IS.

Was just an addition to what Luiz said.

 I think a huge difference it that US a whole different mentality but I also think distance plays a role. I think, in general, people (of muslims or non-muslim families) feel attracted to ISIS because they feel they can belong somewhere. In fact the majority of converts are losers. (Not the right word, but I hope you know what I mean). I also think the European Muslim population is way higher than those of the US. And of course there are some individuals who **** things up. For example I'm pretty sure tons of weird Christians (and tbh I think there would be more from the US)would join something like ISIS as well if there were something comparable. 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

I love how many people forget that 10% of Syrians are Christians.