Why do faux animal rights activists attack Gaga for wearing fur

[monstereo 1,232]

25 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

What is that chart supposed to prove?

Primates are herbivores. As such, the ancestors of humans were also herbivores. Yet our brains are different, and the reason for that is that we incorporated meat into our diets, not very long ago on an evolutionary scale. 

As such, while our bodies are still relatively close to herbivores in structure, our diets are functionally distinct. Homo sapiens are omnivorous by nature.

Also children do not have the propensity to kill unless they are psychopaths. If you think a child does not recognize a living being then you are surely ignorant about how children's brains function.

Fruits and vegetables do not contain all the necessary nutrients for adults. You're also supposed to incorporate beans and other sources of protein and  fat. On top of that, you need to make sure you take the proper supplementation. 

In addition to that, it has been proven that vegan lifestyles are ultimately unhealthy for children UNLESS a very strict and careful diet is followed and that's only if they're relatively older. 

It's easy to say that we are past the point of requiring meat when you are still living a cushy city life while being supported by your family. Unfortunately, most of the world's population does not have that luxury. Animal consumption will continue to be a normal part of human behavior.

Furthermore, do NOT attempt to use excessive behavior as justification for the issues of meat consumption. Anything taken in excess is going to cause health problems. I can just as easily point you towards a 110+ year old woman who has been eating meat for her whole life. 

 

That chart shows that humankind's GI tract is designed for a purely plant-based diet.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/94656/The-Comparative-Anatomy-of-Eating

Primates are 95-99% VEGETARIAN. and the primary non-plant food is NOT meat, it's termites. If humans are omnivores, then the anatomical evidence suggests that we're the same kind: the kind that eats almost exclusively plant foods. And if an omnivore is an animal that is capable of eating both plants and animals, and ever does so, then sure, we're omnivores, but then again, so are CATS.  A true omnivore would have a body optimized for eating both plants and animals. With non-humans we can look at what they eat in the wild to figure out their preferred diets, but humans lost our instincts long ago, so we can look only at our anatomy and digestive systems.

The idea that a switch to meat-eating is what sparked early humans' brain development has no more evidence to support it than the competing theories (such as that it was a switch to cooked foods that did the trick), and certainly doesn't square with what comparative anatomy tells us. 

Pointing out that a 110+ year old meat woman exists doesn't prove anything. That is an outliner. Just look at the current state of the world today: the more animal foods we eat, the more heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and other degenerative disease we suffer. This has been exhaustively demonstrated beyond any doubt.

"Fruits and vegetables do not contain all the necessary nutrients for adults. You're also supposed to incorporate beans and other sources of protein and  fat." Fruits and vegetables contain all of the necessary nutrients for adults, please list all the ones they do not contain. Beans are considered vegetables and any plant protein/fat is much healthier then any version of it you'll find in meat.

[Gaga Monster 13,001]

Watch this video and it will make you undserstand why people hate fur. Watch the whole thing!

 

 

 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

9 minutes ago, monstereo said:

That chart shows that humankind's GI tract is designed for a purely plant-based diet.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/94656/The-Comparative-Anatomy-of-Eating

Primates are 95-99% VEGETARIAN. and the primary non-plant food is NOT meat, it's termites. If humans are omnivores, then the anatomical evidence suggests that we're the same kind: the kind that eats almost exclusively plant foods. And if an omnivore is an animal that is capable of eating both plants and animals, and ever does so, then sure, we're omnivores, but then again, so are CATS.  A true omnivore would have a body optimized for eating both plants and animals. With non-humans we can look at what they eat in the wild to figure out their preferred diets, but humans lost our instincts long ago, so we can look only at our anatomy and digestive systems.

The idea that a switch to meat-eating is what sparked early humans' brain development has no more evidence to support it than the competing theories (such as that it was a switch to cooked foods that did the trick), and certainly doesn't square with what comparative anatomy tells us. 

Pointing out that a 110+ year old meat woman exists doesn't prove anything. That is an outliner. Just look at the current state of the world today: the more animal foods we eat, the more heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and other degenerative disease we suffer. This has been exhaustively demonstrated beyond any doubt.

You keep quoting the same article (and the chart that comes from it) in your posts. The very same article completely ignores the process of evolution.
The species of Homo Sapiens is relatively young. What differentiates us from other primates is that we eat meat. That our digestive systems have evolved to be capable of digesting meat without the side effects herbivores experience shows that we are functionally omnivores if not structurally. 

The reason we never needed to evolve on a structural level is that humans used tools in order to process their foods. Tools that other carnivores did not have access to. Again, if you understand evolution, you'd know that it is driven by pressure. Pressure that we did not have in this scenario.

Furthermore, it's not I who is trying to prove anything. The 110+ year old woman example was a mere counterpoint. Your argument is irrelevant, given that the increase in diseases is attributed to population growth, modern excessive consumption, GMOs, and a whole host of other attributes. Claiming that the only reason is animal consumption is downright ridiculous.

 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

11 minutes ago, Gaga Monster said:

Watch this video and it will make you undserstand why people hate fur. Watch the whole thing!

 

 

 

The first 10 seconds made me cringe.

She's calling the woman a serial killer. Again, this fool is equating the lives of animals with that of humans.

 

[Gaga Monster 13,001]

Just now, LebaneseDude said:

The first 10 seconds made me cringe.

She's calling the woman a serial killer. Again, this fool is equating the lives of animals with that of humans.

 

Watch the whole thing. Watch the animal skinned alive suffering. Watch it and face the truth

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

2 minutes ago, Gaga Monster said:

Watch the whole thing. Watch the animal skinned alive suffering. Watch it and face the truth

Face what truth?

I have already stated that I'm for the proper treatment of animals.

If someone wants their fur, make sure to kill them painlessly first.

This is just brutality.

[Gaga Monster 13,001]

Just now, LebaneseDude said:

Face what truth?

I have already stated that I'm for the proper treatment of animals.

If someone wants their fur, make sure to kill them painlessly first.

This is just brutality. 

This video is nothing but sensationalist, using the worst aspects of the fur industry, in an attempt to cruelly harass people on the street.

I am against harassing people but did you see the animal with no skin alive and suffering? Did you see them being tortured. This is what happens daily on fur farms. This has to be stopped and illegal!

[monstereo 1,232]

1 minute ago, LebaneseDude said:

You keep quoting the same article (and the chart that comes from it) in your posts. The very same article completely ignores the process of evolution.
The species of Homo Sapiens is relatively young. What differentiates us from other primates is that we eat meat. That our digestive systems have evolved to be capable of digesting meat shows that we are functionally omnivores if not structurally.

Furthermore, it's not I who is trying to prove anything. The 110+ year old woman example was a mere counterpoint. Your argument is irrelevant, given that the increase in diseases is attributed to population growth, modern excessive consumption, GMOs, and a whole host of other attributes. Claiming that the only reason is animal consumption is downright ridiculous.

 

Our digestive systems have NOT evolved to be capable of digesting meat, otherwise we would be able to eat as much meat as we wanted without getting heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and other degenerative diseases. This is what separates us from omnivores and carnivores. The relatively short intestinal length in carnivores/omnivores, along with the relatively smooth interior surface, allow rotting animal flesh, animal protein, casein, cholesterol, trans fatty acids and the excessive amount of fat found in all animal products to pass through quickly; that is why it's impossible for any real carnivore/omnivore to clog their arteries. Clogged arteries, however, affects more than 50% percent of all meat, dairy and egg-eaters in this day and age! In our natural state we are not programmed be meat-eaters.

All genuine carnivores and omnivores eat an animal's eyes, nose, face, toes, tail, ****, inner organs, blood, brain, skin and fur UNCOOKED. Humans have to cook certain parts of the animal so we don't become violently ill. That unequivocally makes us fake carnivores/omnivores.

 

[Gaga Monster 13,001]

Just now, LebaneseDude said:

Face what truth?

I have already stated that I'm for the proper treatment of animals.

If someone wants their fur, make sure to kill them painlessly first.

This is just brutality. 

This video is nothing but sensationalist, using the worst aspects of the fur industry, in an attempt to cruelly harass people on the street.

I am against harassing people but did you see the animal with no skin alive and suffering? Did you see them being tortured. This is what happens daily on fur farms. This has to be stopped and illegal!

[monstereo 1,232]

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[LebaneseDude 6,146]

Just now, Gaga Monster said:

I am against harassing people but did you see the animal with no skin alive and suffering? Did you see them being tortured. This is what happens daily on fur farms. This has to be stopped and illegal!

Sure, I'm all for stopping brutality, but for all you know that woman bought her fur from a company that does not perform such acts of torture.

Harassing her is downright ignorant.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

7 minutes ago, monstereo said:

Our digestive systems have NOT evolved to be capable of digesting meat, otherwise we would be able to eat as much meat as we wanted without getting heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and other degenerative diseases. This is what separates us from omnivores and carnivores. The relatively short intestinal length in carnivores/omnivores, along with the relatively smooth interior surface, allow rotting animal flesh, animal protein, casein, cholesterol, trans fatty acids and the excessive amount of fat found in all animal products to pass through quickly; that is why it's impossible for any real carnivore/omnivore to clog their arteries. Clogged arteries, however, affects more than 50% percent of all meat, dairy and egg-eaters in this day and age! In our natural state we are not programmed be meat-eaters.

All genuine carnivores and omnivores eat an animal's eyes, nose, face, toes, tail, ****, inner organs, blood, brain, skin and fur UNCOOKED. Humans have to cook certain parts of the animal so we don't become violently ill. That unequivocally makes us fake carnivores/omnivores.

 

I have already agreed that we are structurally herbivores. Why do you keep shoving random facts in your arguments?

We are functionally omnivores because that is how we have evolved to our present state.

It's ridiculous that you keep comparing humans to animals as if we have followed similar evolutionary paths. The mere existence of tools like stone knives and fire itself is undoubtedly going to suppress the evolutionary pressure to further evolve the human digestive system from independently processing meat.

Being able to select the nutritious parts of the animal carcass is one reason why we never needed to evolve the ability to shove an entire animal down our throat.

Humans are by definition self-programming. Stop treating us like other animals.

[monstereo 1,232]

26 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

I have already agreed that we are structurally herbivores. Why do you keep shoving random facts in your arguments?

We are functionally omnivores because that is how we have evolved to our present state.

It's ridiculous that you keep comparing humans to animals as if we have followed similar evolutionary paths. The mere existence of tools like stone knives and fire itself is undoubtedly going to suppress the evolutionary pressure to further evolve the human digestive system from independently processing meat.

Being able to select the nutritious parts of the animal carcass is one reason why we never needed to evolve the ability to shove an entire animal down our throat.

Humans are by definition self-programming. Stop treating us like other animals.

 

Like I said, just because you think we evolved to our present state from eating meat (which is debatable), does it even matter? Just as the fact that our country was built by slaves does not justify the continued enslavement of other human beings, neither would the fact that our brain size evolved from eating animals be a justification for continuing to exploit animals for food when we have no need to do so.

We don't live in the wild anymore. We have KNOWLEDGE and don't have a need to eat slaughtered animals. Stop treating us like early humans.

 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

1 minute ago, monstereo said:

 

Like I said, just because you think we evolved to our present state from eating meat (which is debatable), does it even matter? Just as the fact that our country was built by slaves does not justify the continued enslavement of other human beings, neither would the fact that our brain size evolved from eating animals be a justification for continuing to exploit animals for food when we have no need to do so.

We don't live in the wild anymore. We have KNOWLEDGE and access to nutritious, slaughter-free food.

Stop treating us like early humans.

 

Once again going for the extreme, and comparing social issues to basic human functions.

Eating meat (food) is comparable to wearing clothing (survival), not slavery (human indignity)

We don't have access to nutritious slaughter-free food. At least the overwhelming majority doesn't.

[monstereo 1,232]

20 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

Once again going for the extreme, and comparing social issues to basic human functions.

Eating meat (food) is comparable to wearing clothing (survival), not slavery (human indignity)

We don't have access to nutritious slaughter-free food. At least the overwhelming majority doesn't.

It is not an extreme. It is absolutely comparable, because both were executed for the sole purpose of exploiting sentient beings deemed 'inferior' for those who see themselves as 'superior'. Humans are not at the top of anything. We are merely part of an interdependent web of life that forms complex yet fragile ecosystems. We choose to either participate in the protection of these natural systems, or to destroy them at our own peril.

People having your mentality is why people excused slavery in the first place. They justified treating animals however they wanted, and viewed slaves as sub-human, therefore treated them no better then livestock. If everyone respected ALL animals, slavery wouldn't have been a thing.

The fact that people don't have access to nutritious food is something that should be changed. But for those who DO, there is absolutely no excuse. The entire MUST be changed in order to save the ever growing planet. The meat industry is DESTROYING THE EARTH.

http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/environment.html