Gaga's Lips/Fillers/Surgery/... Thread

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10 minutes ago, Growlithe said:

Which is exactly why I'm doubting that it is purely due to personal insecurities. Her statements about not wanting to compete with 20 year olds and "exploding" into her 30s came out little more than a week ago. She has said it time and time again, and even purpusely tried to look older during the C2C era. I doubt hiding her age is a factor for her. It goes so completely against things she has said in the (recent) past that I personally think she doesn't have "traditional" motives to do this.

I could be the most wrong person on this forum but it's the only way I can make sense of it right now .

Either that or she's an even more of a walking contradiction than I already believe her to be.

Gaga? A walking contradiction? Never!  

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1 minute ago, Didymus said:

But.. then why would she?

Achieving a certain look(on AHS), as stated in my posts above?

Or if it is about insecurities regarding age, that would make sense in regard to botox. The cheeks and lips are still a whole different case entirely in my opinion.

1 minute ago, Didymus said:

And the 30s thing was more about artistry imo. I mean, you can actually interpret it in a way that would defend her botox: trying to prove her worth post-30's by looking younger than she is to show she can still compete. It could perfectly be part of her strategy. But it doesn't make it less ugly to me.

I'm sorry, I love you for making cohesive arguments on this forum all the time, but this just seems nonsensical . The discussion about older popstars competing with younger ones is largely about looks, so saying that Gaga's statement was purely about artistry and not appearance would be a stretch.

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THIS is beautiful 

This is not beautiful to me but it is beautiful to people who are superficial and want to convince the younger generation that in order to look beautiful you have to modify your face because your natural features are never good

 

[Didymus 34,379]

8 minutes ago, Growlithe said:

I'm sorry, I love you for making cohesive arguments on this forum all the time, but this just seems nonsensical . The discussion about older popstars competing with younger ones is largely about looks, so saying that Gaga's statement was purely about artistry and not appearance would be a stretch.

Why?

This is what she said:

Not about looks. Primarily about music.

I won't deny that the face work still contradicts her message, but that would only be the 1000th time she said something without meaning it.

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4 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Why?

This is what she said:

Not about looks. About music.

Well then I guess we simply interpret those words differenly 

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Just now, Growlithe said:

Well then I guess we simply interpret those words differenly 

Edited my post. I get why you read your point of view into it but it's not really what she's saying.

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1 minute ago, Didymus said:

Edited my post. I get why you read your point of view into it but it's not really what she's saying.

It's a pretty general statement overall so I guess both of our views can be read into it depending on your frame of reference.

Which is why none of us can claim to know a definitive truth in all of this. We know too little and everything is almost pure speculation. Which, in turn, is why we shouldn't condemn Gaga about it as we can't possibly understand it yet.

I'm just gonna give her the benefit of the doubt until (and if) she proves me wrong

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Just now, Growlithe said:

We know too little and everything is almost pure speculation. Which, in turn, is why we shouldn't condemn Gaga about it as we can't possibly understand it yet.

I'm just gonna give her the benefit of the doubt until (and if) she proves me wrong

Well, I'm not condemning her for anything but shooting botox up her face (which is an undisputable fact at this point), I don't care for the reason It's bs and she should know better. Not because the act itself is blasphemy, but because she has hundreds of thousands of people who look to her as an example.

[Stiletto Ninja 29]

This thread is depressing, and not because of what Gaga's doing.

Gaga's facial features, her weight, her tattoos, any part of her physical appearance that people choose to nitpick. Those are physical beauty standards that only she should dictate for herself. We don't have to agree with how she chooses to look, but the least we could do is respect her right to her choices. That fact that she's a public figure doesn't change anything. She's her own person first. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but sometimes you need to know when to keep your opinions as your opinions and respect others' decisions. Lamenting over what once was only diminishes your enjoyment of what you have now.

Gaga's had an amazing overall year career-wise and there's a lot for us to be proud of and appreciate. And I can't imagine how disheartening it would be for her to know that despite all that some fans still just feel obligated to go out of their way to fixate on nitpicking at her over something as petty as her damn lips. It's no better than how the tabloids act.

[Didymus 34,379]

4 minutes ago, Stiletto Ninja said:

It's no better than how the tabloids act.

Then you clearly haven't read anything here (with care).

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5 minutes ago, Stiletto Ninja said:

And I can't imagine how disheartening it would be for her to know that despite all that some fans still just feel obligated to go out of their way to fixate on nitpicking at her over something as petty as her damn lips. It's no better than how the tabloids act.

It's not just her lips though. She's ruining her natural face. We obviously care enough to comment on it. Tabloids are not even comparable to this. 

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1 minute ago, Didymus said:

Then you clearly haven't read anything here.

well you clearly didn't read my whole post.

I've read the whole thread. Its full of people making accusations and assumptions about what she's had done, why she's done it and how much they think she's wrong for doing it. You literally said in the post above mine that you're condemning her for using botox because "she should know better." Like she's a child. That doesn't come across as slightly insulting to you?

1 minute ago, Morphine Prince said:

It's not just her lips though. She's ruining her natural face. We obviously care enough to comment on it. Tabloids are not even comparable to this. 

I don't see how shaming someones personal choices because they aren't adhering to your personal standards is coming from a caring place. If some of the things I read in this thread were in the context of someone talking to their significant other, it could potentially be seen as verbal abuse and controlling behavior.

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Just now, Stiletto Ninja said:

well you clearly didn't read my whole post.

I've read the whole thread. Its full of people making accusations and assumptions about what she's had done, why she's done it and how much they think she's wrong for doing it. You literally said in the post above mine that you're condemning her for using botox because "she should know better." Like she's a child. That doesn't come across as slightly insulting to you?

If you did you would've seen that 85% of the people who sincerely post in here are concerned about her (health). You intentionally ignoring that, if you claim to have read the entire thread, just shows your agenda here.

And yeah, I don't see why I have to respect her decisions when they don't align with my ideals. And when they don't align with the ideals she pretends to proclaim and embody in her career. There is no reason anyone should respect her for injecting her face with botox. I'm not saying she's a worthless c-nt because she did it, but I don't see why I should refrain from commenting on it and condemning that particular move. I don't care if it comes across as insulting, I'm not insulting her and if she decides to read my posts, then that's her own business, this forum is not made for her so I couldn't give a **** about that.

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2 minutes ago, Stiletto Ninja said:

If some of the things I read in this thread were in the context of someone talking to their significant other, it could potentially be seen as verbal abuse and controlling behavior.

Well, if it was my significant other, or in other words, the person I love, care about and respect a lot, I would try to convince them to not ruin their body and make sure my significant other feels loved, confident and happy enough so they don't feel the need to inject their face. I cannot understand how could the need of injections come from confidence and happiness. It's clear that Gaga is not as happy as she claims to be. She always says she's happy at the time being, but later she says she was depressed. So, in my opinion, injections is an indication of inner problems. That's why many people here are concerned about Gaga and her well-being. They only want her to be happy and healthy, but we are not her friends and family, we cannot reach her and make sure she feels good. 

[Morphine Prince 103,550]

36 minutes ago, Stiletto Ninja said:

I don't see how shaming someones personal choices because they aren't adhering to your personal standards is coming from a caring place. If some of the things I read in this thread were in the context of someone talking to their significant other, it could potentially be seen as verbal abuse and controlling behavior.

Well you're beyond comprehension then. If we didn't care we would just cheer on everything she does like mindless robots. She's ruining her face with these procedures. Obviously we aren't gonna make her do anything but it is concerning and we are free to criticize that.