Troy Carter talks about split with Gaga. "It was disheartening"

[migamiga 12,101]

6 hours ago, Alien Tulip said:

I agree he seems very professional and you can tell he's honest about his adoration of her ambition. I think Gaga fans are naturally biased so it's normal that they have her side in every confrontation. I wish we had the full story but both are not legally allowed to get in depth of the source between the issues of both of them. I do think Troy neglected her and kind put her on the shelf and she felt...forgotten which is a horrible feeling considering a lot of people left her during the past 3 years. The way Gaga cried in an interview last year talking about Troy was so sad because she really did love him since they met before she was blonde and released just dance. The only people that are still with her since the beginning are richie, her dancer that she calls her best friend "Asiel" and I think thats it unless we count Jimmy Iovine as well.

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[Dangerous Man 9,245]

Sure, Jan.

[Killa 17,460]

Please, you guys get fooled too easily!

[SpaceAce 1,058]

Sounds like he lost interest in his job long before he knew it. From my perspective, he's using his "heartbreak" from his split with Gaga as an excuse not finding another artist with potential or starting from the bottom with someone else. He's doing everything halfassed nowadays.

[SpaceAce 1,058]

I mean. Gaga has already said all that she needs to say. He quit his job long before he was fired. She needed him to be more present in her career and have more faith in her.

And honestly, Gaga doesn't deserve anything less than Bobby. She had proven herself as an artist long ago and like he mentioned in the interview, she the hardest working artist out there. She deserved the same effort and work ethic from his end of the partnership.

[creeves 245]

"We built this empire together"

That right there is exactly why they don't work well together anymore. Gaga just wants to be an artist. She doesn't want to be the queen of an empire.

[jojuun 4,159]

26 minutes ago, SpaceAce said:

I mean. Gaga has already said all that she needs to say. He quit his job long before he was fired. She needed him to be more present in her career and have more faith in her.

And honestly, Gaga doesn't deserve anything less than Bobby. She had proven herself as an artist long ago and like he mentioned in the interview, she the hardest working artist out there. She deserved the same effort and work ethic from his end of the partnership.

He did do all of that. Her career as we know it is here purely because they were both on the same track in the beginning. They clearly just weren't on that path together anymore when they split. Gaga wanted to be the big, mainstream popstar in 2008 and he helped her do it in about a year. They both stomped their way into the highest level of mainstream pop music. But like Gaga said in the Billboard article just a few days ago, she wanted to quit that altogether. How do you manage an artist like that when you have a high public profile and need at least two million ww records sold not to be considered a "flop"? You can't do that. She lost the thing that unified them in the first place, her drive, her hunger for absolute dominance and intense hustling for success.

People on here really seem to think the Troy split happened like the G.U.Y. video. That he picked her bones clean while she was down after the BTWB Tour. That he ran away with the money and left her for dead when her hip was broken and the pressure of the fame got to her. That's clearly not what happened exactly, if it were, she would've fired him BEFORE ARTPOP. You know who really did that but for some reason doesn't get the same amount of hate on here as Troy? Akon. The guy literally said "I cashed out." But this fanbase seems to give him a free pass or something. Why is that? Troy pulling out is totally justified. At some point, in these mega-careers, relationships just end. Gaga is difficult to work with, anyone can see that. Her team is always on-call, we know that's true, it's confirmed by countless interviews. Even Nicola has spoken about his exit in the past, saying he couldn't deliver the racks and racks of clothing she wanted to choose from in the end anymore. It was too much. His assistants quit before that. They were on-call at all times. 4 AM in Tokyo and Gaga saw a McQueen dress in a window display? You'll deliver it at 9 AM even if it's Sunday night. You make it work, she's a high-profile A-list superstar known for her fashion, it just HAS to happen. But you don't fulfil a position like that forever. Why do you think both Nicola and Maxwell started their own lines and careers in design? Because it's the most coveted postion in their industry. Just like Gaga wanted to be a megastar, the highest position in her industry. People who work like that have personal goals. And when you can meet them because of the opportunity you get as her stylist/assistant, you take it. Another one of Nicola's old assistants is now Kylie's main stylist. Is that a betrayal? No. He was offered a better postion, so het, naturally, took it it. A lot of people in this fanbase don't understand that because they'd give lifelong loyalty to Gaga, because of their admiration, but that's not the way it works in real life. 

With Troy, he clearly gave it his ALL to get her to the top. And it worked. They were the perfect partners in crime so to speak. They both wanted the same thing: mega stardom. He handled the business side and had the industry knowledge, she had the talent and the drive. But when she lost that drive, of course the entire thing fell apart. He can't just wish for her depression to go away, he can't wait two years until she fully feels her soul is renewed. She's a popstar in the true meaning of the word. Not a soul queen with a new child and the most successful album of the decade, like Adele. They couldn't wait. So even IF ARTPOP and it's promotion were rush released because of him, it was totally justified. She needed to release, especially given the fact it was so long overdue and announced.

[Benji 20,113]

10 minutes ago, jojuun said:

He did do all of that. Her career as we know it is here purely because they were both on the same track in the beginning. They clearly just weren't on that path together anymore when they split. Gaga wanted to be the big, mainstream popstar in 2008 and he helped her do it in about a year. They both stomped their way into the highest level of mainstream pop music. But like Gaga said in the Billboard article just a few days ago, she wanted to quit that altogether. How do you manage an artist like that when you have a high public profile and need at least two million ww records sold not to be considered a "flop"? You can't do that. She lost the thing that unified them in the first place, her drive, her hunger for absolute dominance and intense hustling for success.

People on here really seem to think the Troy split happened like the G.U.Y. video. That he picked her bones clean while she was down after the BTWB Tour. That he ran away with the money and left her for dead when her hip was broken and the pressure of the fame got to her. That's clearly not what happened exactly, if it were, she would've fired him BEFORE ARTPOP. You know who really did that but for some reason doesn't get the same amount of hate on here as Troy? Akon. The guy literally said "I cashed out." But this fanbase seems to give him a free pass or something. Why is that? Troy pulling out is totally justified. At some point, in these mega-careers, relationships just end. Gaga is difficult to work with, anyone can see that. Her team is always on-call, we know that's true, it's confirmed by countless interviews. Even Nicola has spoken about his exit in the past, saying he couldn't deliver the racks and racks of clothing she wanted to choose from in the end anymore. It was too much. His assistants quit before that. They were on-call at all times. 4 AM in Tokyo and Gaga saw a McQueen dress in a window display? You'll deliver it at 9 AM even if it's Sunday night. You make it work, she's a high-profile A-list superstar known for her fashion, it just HAS to happen. But you don't fulfil a position like that forever. Why do you think both Nicola and Maxwell started their own lines and careers in design? Because it's the most coveted postion in their industry. Just like Gaga wanted to be a megastar, the highest position in her industry. People who work like that have personal goals. And when you can meet them because of the opportunity you get as her stylist/assistant, you take it. Another one of Nicola's old assistants is now Kylie's main stylist. Is that a betrayal? No. He was offered a better postion, so het, naturally, took it it. A lot of people in this fanbase don't understand that because they'd give lifelong loyalty to Gaga, because of their admiration, but that's not the way it works in real life. 

With Troy, he clearly gave it his ALL to get her to the top. And it worked. They were the perfect partners in crime so to speak. They both wanted the same thing: mega stardom. He handled the business side and had the industry knowledge, she had the talent and the drive. But when she lost that drive, of course the entire thing fell apart. He can't just wish for her depression to go away, he can't wait two years until she fully feels her soul is renewed. She's a popstar in the true meaning of the word. Not a soul queen with a new child and the most successful album of the decade, like Adele. They couldn't wait. So even IF ARTPOP and it's promotion were rush released because of him, it was totally justified. She needed to release, especially given the fact it was so long overdue and announced.

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9 hours ago, Resquid said:

This guy is amazing. He is incredibly insightful about what exactly happened between him and Gaga. And the fact that he talks so highly of her makes me think he's mature and professional. No wonder him and Gaga worked so well together back in the day. 

OT I love your AV.  I just love that show.

[SpaceAce 1,058]

2 hours ago, jojuun said:

He did do all of that. Her career as we know it is here purely because they were both on the same track in the beginning. They clearly just weren't on that path together anymore when they split. Gaga wanted to be the big, mainstream popstar in 2008 and he helped her do it in about a year. They both stomped their way into the highest level of mainstream pop music. But like Gaga said in the Billboard article just a few days ago, she wanted to quit that altogether. How do you manage an artist like that when you have a high public profile and need at least two million ww records sold not to be considered a "flop"? You can't do that. She lost the thing that unified them in the first place, her drive, her hunger for absolute dominance and intense hustling for success.

People on here really seem to think the Troy split happened like the G.U.Y. video. That he picked her bones clean while she was down after the BTWB Tour. That he ran away with the money and left her for dead when her hip was broken and the pressure of the fame got to her. That's clearly not what happened exactly, if it were, she would've fired him BEFORE ARTPOP. You know who really did that but for some reason doesn't get the same amount of hate on here as Troy? Akon. The guy literally said "I cashed out." But this fanbase seems to give him a free pass or something. Why is that? Troy pulling out is totally justified. At some point, in these mega-careers, relationships just end. Gaga is difficult to work with, anyone can see that. Her team is always on-call, we know that's true, it's confirmed by countless interviews. Even Nicola has spoken about his exit in the past, saying he couldn't deliver the racks and racks of clothing she wanted to choose from in the end anymore. It was too much. His assistants quit before that. They were on-call at all times. 4 AM in Tokyo and Gaga saw a McQueen dress in a window display? You'll deliver it at 9 AM even if it's Sunday night. You make it work, she's a high-profile A-list superstar known for her fashion, it just HAS to happen. But you don't fulfil a position like that forever. Why do you think both Nicola and Maxwell started their own lines and careers in design? Because it's the most coveted postion in their industry. Just like Gaga wanted to be a megastar, the highest position in her industry. People who work like that have personal goals. And when you can meet them because of the opportunity you get as her stylist/assistant, you take it. Another one of Nicola's old assistants is now Kylie's main stylist. Is that a betrayal? No. He was offered a better postion, so het, naturally, took it it. A lot of people in this fanbase don't understand that because they'd give lifelong loyalty to Gaga, because of their admiration, but that's not the way it works in real life. 

With Troy, he clearly gave it his ALL to get her to the top. And it worked. They were the perfect partners in crime so to speak. They both wanted the same thing: mega stardom. He handled the business side and had the industry knowledge, she had the talent and the drive. But when she lost that drive, of course the entire thing fell apart. He can't just wish for her depression to go away, he can't wait two years until she fully feels her soul is renewed. She's a popstar in the true meaning of the word. Not a soul queen with a new child and the most successful album of the decade, like Adele. They couldn't wait. So even IF ARTPOP and it's promotion were rush released because of him, it was totally justified. She needed to release, especially given the fact it was so long overdue and announced.

I'm sorry, I don't agree. Do you realize she almost broke her hip? That she was still healing when she was recording ARTPOP? That she was overworked for years straight. Managers are supposed to take care of their artists, not drain their energy and creativity for monetary gain.

[Sakrai 4,759]

1 minute ago, SpaceAce said:

I'm sorry, I don't agree. Do you realize she almost broke her hip? That she was still healing when she was recording ARTPOP? That she was overworked for years straight. Managers are supposed to take care of their artists, not drain their energy and creativity for monetary gain.

No, managers are supposed to manage the artist's time. They are not the artist's personal spiritual guide. Gaga has proven time and again how driven and focused and on her **** she is. If 2013 Gaga had had the same drive as 2008 Gaga this wouldn't have happened. Troy probably was 't expecting her to change so radically.

Troy knew what she was capable of because they had been working together for 6 years, so of course he pushed for a new release and an immediate performance and all that. It was Gaga who wasn't interested in doing it anymore but saying she didn't want to be a megastar anymore was too hard for her so she couldn't communicate this properly, and ended up frustrated and depressed.

[Benji 20,113]

2 minutes ago, SpaceAce said:

I'm sorry, I don't agree. Do you realize she almost broke her hip? That she was still healing when she was recording ARTPOP? That she was overworked for years straight. Managers are supposed to take care of their artists, not drain their energy and creativity for monetary gain.

Considering Troy has always supported and guided Gaga, do you think it was his personal choice and desire to force her to work when she was healing? Troy and Gaga had deadlines and promises to uphold, we can't blame Troy for doing what he was forced to do.

If Troy did not support Gaga, he would have left long before ARTPOP. He wouldn't have fought alongside Gaga to get Born This Way out etc.

[SpaceAce 1,058]

1 minute ago, Resquid said:

No, managers are supposed to manage the artist's time. They are not the artist's personal spiritual guide. Gaga has proven time and again how driven and focused and on her **** she is. If 2013 Gaga had had the same drive as 2008 Gaga this wouldn't have happened. Troy probably was 't expecting her to change so radically.

Troy knew what she was capable of because they had been working together for 6 years, so of course he pushed for a new release and an immediate performance and all that. It was Gaga who wasn't interested in doing it anymore but saying she didn't want to be a megastar anymore was too hard for her so she couldn't communicate this properly, and ended up frustrated and depressed.

"No, managers are supposed to manage the artist's time."

I stopped reading there for a sec. Just plain wrong. How do you know Gaga's frame of mind so well? How do you know that it wasn't her experience with Troy that pushed her away from wanting to be a star? That's pretty much exactly what she's been telling us. You can't say she doesnt want to be a megastar anymore when she's been working her ass off this past year doing tributes non stop and getting the public to recognize her talent.

[wahkeenasitka 1,995]

that was a rather enlightening snippet...

check out the longer interview:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2015-12-10/atom-factory-ceo-troy-carter-studio-1-0-full-show-12-09-

[Sakrai 4,759]

12 minutes ago, SpaceAce said:

"No, managers are supposed to manage the artist's time."

I stopped reading there for a sec. Just plain wrong. How do you know Gaga's frame of mind so well? How do you know that it wasn't her experience with Troy that pushed her away from wanting to be a star? That's pretty much exactly what she's been telling us. You can't say she doesnt want to be a megastar anymore when she's been working her ass off this past year doing tributes non stop and getting the public to recognize her talent.

A talent manager, also known as an artist manager, band manager or music manager, is an individual or company who guides the professional career of artists in the entertainment industry. The responsibility of the talent manager is to oversee the day-to-day business affairs of an artist; advise and counsel talent concerning professional matters, long-term plans and personal decisions which may affect their career."

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Gaga has explicitly said that she wanted to quit music altogether during that time. It's not my assumption; she has actually said this word for word.

During that time she didn't want to be a singer anymore, that is a fact. How do you manage someone like that? I'm not saying it's Gaga fault, or that Troy is completely innocent; I'm simply pointing out that their problems arose from the difference in their objectives, and they are both equally responsable for it.