Troy Carter talks about split with Gaga. "It was disheartening"

[MonsterMum 2,532]

7 minutes ago, monketsharona said:

Maybe it's not that dark than we thought... I mean it's typically a LM thing to see everything negatively or everything in black...

It's not really, listen closely to what he says. He found himself to be the accelerator, point in case also : Meghan Trainor. Gaga became established there was little to accelerate, she made it, she made it big time and I think that was the point where they differentiated. I feel his passion, as being the accelerator made his engagement with Gaga become stale. It's one point in accelerate something it's a different thing to keep the ball in motion once the momentum is there and maybe that's where he lacks? It makes sense tho for Gaga to say, he moved on, he obviously would, his mission was accomplished.

[Benji 20,113]

1 minute ago, Tommy Monster said:

So basically he left her because she began "flopping"??  

He practically said he realised he was good at making someone blow up but didn't know what to do after that... Him identifying he doesn't know how to sustain someone or something is him not leaving because they were "flopping" 

[Sakrai 4,759]

4 minutes ago, Tommy Monster said:

So basically he left her because she began "flopping"??  

I think he's very ambiguous about it in this interview but you can sort of make out what the problem was, and I think it was a very simple problem that carried very big implications: Troy says that Gaga wanted to "compete on the highest levels". Lady Gaga is not an easy brand, she's known for being extreme, creative, original, etc. Which is not easy to produce or sell. Troy is a businessman and he did exactly what Gaga wanted: he helped her become the biggest popstar in the world, which is an extremely hard job.

At some point though, Gaga didn't want to play the game anymore. She felt tired, overworked, and lost in an unfair competition that didn't bring her the joy she expected. And that's when their relationship broke, because they were both taking different paths. Troy kept pushing her to be the "megastar" that Gaga had once wanted to be, but Gaga was sick of it. And neither of them was wise enough to see this break in their objectives till it was too late. Troy was lost because he didn't know what to do once Gaga had become this big (him being an accelerator and all that), and Gaga was lost because she entered a career crisis where she didn't know if she even wanted to do this anymore

It was Troy's fault for not seeing what Gaga was going through and what her objectives were, and it was also Gaga's fault for not being able to take a stand and be clear about her change of hearts.

[monketsharona 85,665]

1 minute ago, Benji said:

The fact he fought tooth and bone to get Gaga doing what she wanted and where she was shows he is far from what fans accuse him of being.

The ARTPOP dramas are a lot different to what Gaga made them out to be, she's being more honest about them now but I think using Troy as a scapegoat at points wasn't the best thing to do.

concerning ARTPOP I think the original plan from 2011 / 2012 was very different to what we had in 2013... I don't know who is responsible of all those mistakes (probably everybody, even Gaga). I think that she may have wanted a longer break after her surgery but she was rushed into studio (hence the fact she wasn't even writing at the piano anymore or she wasn't as brillant in terms of writing as before)

Now I feel ARTPOP has be a bit forced... Anyway now she's back at her original way to work, and we can be glad of this !

[Admin 24,441]

Found this. Good old days!

[MonsterMum 2,532]

19 minutes ago, Benji said:

He practically said he realised he was good at making someone blow up but didn't know what to do after that... Him identifying he doesn't know how to sustain someone or something is him not leaving because they were "flopping" 

Exactly what I feel too, it will be interesting to see how Meghan is gonna maintain herself in the field once Troy finds there is little to accelerate anymore. I think in this Bobby turned out to be a blessing in disguise to work with Gaga and say:  "ok, you are an established artist, creative, passionate and truly talented. What can we do to make everyone realise this"

By doing tons of tributes and showcase her versatility, by doing jazz with Tony, an audience that is not easy to please cause everyone will compare her to the "greats" and nail it. Bobby managed to turn the tide from people saying "God... does she always have to do these weird things" into "Wow she's great and she got some pipes too".

[Benji 20,113]

Just now, monketsharona said:

concerning ARTPOP I think the original plan from 2011 / 2012 was very different to what we had in 2013... I don't know who is responsible of all those mistakes (probably everybody, even Gaga). I think that she may have wanted a longer break after her surgery but she was rushed into studio (hence the fact she wasn't even writing at the piano anymore or she wasn't as brillant in terms of writing as before)

Now I feel ARTPOP has be a bit forced... Anyway now she's back at her original way to work, and we can be glad of this !

From what I've seen, it's pretty safe to assume that the early ARTPOP concept and work was a lot different to what we ended up with but I don't think that's Troy's fault either. He worked closely with Gaga, so when she says the label didn't like what she made... she literally means the label, not Troy  The label didn't like Born This Way, but Troy and Gaga still pushed it to be released so God knows what ARTPOP was supposed to be if they couldn't get it released. I'm going to assume it was more experimental, like Gaga was saying on LM chats. It seems like Gaga was fed up of being told "no" so she just settled with writing over beats that would please everyone.

There's so many contradictions about the stories, it's hard to really understand what happened but it's safe to assume that Gaga was the one caught inbetween Troy and the label's fighting... I mean it makes zero sense for Troy to be against Gaga consider he put so much time into fighting for her before all of this.

[MonsterMum 2,532]

8 minutes ago, Admin said:

Found this. Good old days!

Do you have Bobby's mail too? 

[Guest]

All I heard was "blah, blah.. blah blah blah..."

[MonsterOfSpain 8,318]

I'm starting to think Troy wasn't the bad guy in the situation, more like Interscope was. But yet again Gaga still praises Interscope so I don't know what to think really... I can only be happy that she's in a better place now.

[Noah 26,989]

34 minutes ago, gagzus said:

The only disheartening thing Troy is that you never cared about her when she was injured and were trying so hard to make money off her and sold Haus Labs under her nose... don't play me sis

Thats not true, he sold popWater (which Natalie was doing promotion for on facebook) not Haus Labs.

[Chris Evans 8,917]

39 minutes ago, Spock said:

Troy Carter is dead. Long live Bobby  

it's nice to see him praise her and describe her ambition and drive (when will your faves tbh) but he answered to the question of "what happened" by not answering lmao 

I'm watching it later on today but that just shows Gaga wasn't lying when she said he was the one who left. Not everyone is Perez Hilton and has no problem continuing to lie about a fallout 

[Benji 20,113]

6 minutes ago, MonsterOfSpain said:

I'm starting to think Troy wasn't the bad guy in the situation, more like Interscope was. But yet again Gaga still praises Interscope so I don't know what to think really... I can only be happy that she's in a better place now.

Well Troy was the guy that had to break all the bad news to Gaga and be the one who had to push her towards the label's demands so it's only natural she lashed out at him. He's done a lot for Gaga but really, he can't do much for her if the label says no and Gaga says no... that's like having two bosses both telling you to do contradicting things and disobeying either of them could cause you to lose your job

[thatfoxyfeeling 13,048]

No one knows what goes on behind closed doors. It's good to see he isn't being spiteful about their relationship, I personally think Gaga used him as a scapegoat because of ARTPOP being a complete mess.

[monketsharona 85,665]

3 minutes ago, JamesFox said:

No one knows what goes on behind closed doors. It's good to see he isn't being spiteful about their relationship, I personally think Gaga used him as a scapegoat because of ARTPOP being a complete mess.

If it's true that sad.. I still think she had a lot of pressure coming from Interscope. They wanted a new album from her as soon as possible even if it was not ready (I mean she had to suddenly stop her previous tour because of injury, she has gone to surgery and she had a depression / blackout). Gaga recognised that she was under pressure to release her thing fastly (doing Applause and DWUW video in a week or something).. I'm pretty sure ARTPOP wasn't really to be released when it was... Most of their plans had to be cancelled. 

But I guess she couldn't blame her own label, especially knowing she was still signed for more albums...  To me her former team is not the only one to blame...