Is Gaga bashing ARTPOP?

[djBuffoon 12,115]

5 minutes ago, Lord Ryry said:

Ah that makes more sense  thanks for clearing that up !

No problem. ARTPOP is so melodic and flamboyant, I'd be surprised if Elton didn't care for it.

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Just now, djBuffoon said:

No problem. Melodically, ARTPOP is so fun and flamboyant, I'd be surprised if Elton didn't care for it.

I think that's also why I like it so much haha, and Elton is amazing, I'm so jealous he has heard some of LG5

"So, she’s been doing lots of different things, but I can tell you I’ve heard a couple of things from that new album and it’s really, really fantastic.” 

[Alcina Dimitrescu 1,156]

Good, shade that turd.

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Yeah a bit. Gaga always said she has been rushed to release ARTPOP and make her first two videos (Applause and DWUW). She kinda said in the past she wasn't entirely satisfied by ARTPOP... 

I don't think she bashed it. But to her it's definitely not her best piece of work.. 

[holy scheisse 22,254]

yeah because it sucked

[BlackJudas 129]

This is what I'm gathering. I'm not seeing shade at all, I'm seeing honesty

 

For ARTPOP, I was doing beats instead. I didn’t want to be near that damn [piano]. It was too emotional.

-- Sounds to me like she was working on production more than she was working on anything lyrically. Too emotional, meaning the label, of course, wanted ARTPOP to go in a different direction and she had to sacrifice what she really wanted to sing about in order to please the label or face the possibility of the album being delayed again. That's an emotional experience in itself to feel like you can't be or write what you truly want.

 

 

I would start to play and sing, and my mind would go, ‘You are way too talented for this ****. F---, your voice sounds good. F---, that’s a beautiful chord. F---, that’s an amazing lyric. Why are you letting these people run you into the ground? When did you become the fashionable robot?’ Can’t being an artist be enough? Is talent ever the thing?

-- Same as above. With the label wanting her to change the concept of the album, I feel she maybe had to 'dumb down' her music and she felt she was too talented for it. In the same sense of her "felt so Def in the Jam" lyric. She didn't have much creative control over the album. The label didn't care about talent, they just wanted quick hits or something catchy. Fashionable robot? You all know what that means.

[Bolkins 4,125]

I think she's torn with AP because there was so much tension with her management. I feel maybe she's tying to say that for a proportion of the material it was being done for "the elusive other" and being pushed by the people around her instead of her releasing it because thats what she wanted. I think the point she's trying to make is that she is done with that sort of material being released and now feels comfortable with writing meaningful lyrics and songs. I bet when we listen back to AP after LG5 we'll have a better understanding of what she's been trying to say.

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I never understand half of what she says

 

 

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No, I don't think she was basing her album. Gaga is saying that she took a different approach to making this album due to several factors, including her mental state during that time. She didn't want to sit down at the piano and poor her soul into playing and that type of writing because she was too fragile at that time. In a way, she was protecting herself...which is what clinically depressed people do. 

ARTPOP is a product of that pain...but even moreso the self-protection from the pain. Gaga really wasn't in the right place to release and promote an album, but to not do so could have killed her. 

Like most people who have survived a severe bout of clinical depression, Gaga is still working out what she went through and what it all means in her head. It takes a long time to work through the after effects of severe depression. Most people experience a PTSD-like reaction after they come out of the depression. 

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6 hours ago, RF said:

She said several times she loves ARTPOP and that it was misunderstood by people

This 

+The quote itself is a bit confusing 

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7 hours ago, Didymus said:

I think it's probably a mixture of things. From this quote you can only conclude that she had to make an electronic heavy album and rely on producers because she was artistically frustrated. That of course makes it an album that is not a true artistic expression, but at the same time she definitely used ARTPOP as a channel for her frustrations anyway.

using ARTPOP as a channel for her frustration make it an artistic statement, even if its a different one that the artistic statement she might have otherwise made.

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6 hours ago, Didymus said:

There are other things about the album too like that weird girl voice that accompanies Gaga's main melody in a few songs, most remarkably Swine in the second verse. Applause's chorus always reeked of self-parody, like some other weird era elements, most notably for me (something I just can't get over) that awful black card prop during Donatella @ artRAVE and the lack of ideas for that tour in general But I'm not sure. It's all so weird.

I always figured that J&D is what happens when a label suit tells Gaga she needs to have a rapper in a song.

[giskardsb 12,565]

the ARTPOP haters coming in here just to spew one line of crap and not contribute to useful conversation are pathetic.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Alien Tulip said:

Yup she definitely started facing struggles with Interscope in 2011. I remember her saying the original single order of born this way was supposed to be: Born This Way, Marry The Night, Scheiße and then The Edge Of Glory as the final single. Interscope chose Judas and You and I and I guess she got fed up for that.

I actually think she doesn't get that bothered about the single choices the label can make. It makes sense, considering Gaga sees herself as an album artist. In her mind, every song is probably single-worthy.

Sure, she might have a preference for a certain song, but in the end, a single is mainly a promotional tool. I imagine she accepts whatever song Interscope may propose as a single, except when a more powerful intention overrides the aim of album promotion.

For example, Born This Way as a lead for the exposure of the equality message and G.U.Y. as a manifesto for ARTPOP.

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4 hours ago, BlackJudas said:

-- Same as above. With the label wanting her to change the concept of the album, I feel she maybe had to 'dumb down' her music and she felt she was too talented for it. In the same sense of her "felt so Def in the Jam" lyric. She didn't have much creative control over the album. The label didn't care about talent, they just wanted quick hits or something catchy. Fashionable robot? You all know what that means.

Ehm, she wrote the lyrics and co-produced every song. But i think she had maybe to narrow down her creativity for release a trendy album, also she had not a choice because she could'nt play the piano.