Is Gaga bashing ARTPOP?

[Noah 26,941]

4 minutes ago, Alan123 said:

I don't really get what she's saying here. This is why sometimes her comments make no sense. For example, they finished Born This Way and told DJWS "The next one is called ARTPOP, let's go" and they started working on it. My question is, did that happen and months later she got hurt, took a break and THEN that piano thing happened ? I don't know, maybe.

I don't think she's bashing ARTPOP, it probably brings her sad memories, but I also don't like the fact that she called this her "first real album", like she did with Born This Way, but anyway, it's her. I learned not to take serious some of the things she randomly says.

Btw, this could also be about the first ARTPOP version, the one with TEA, Ratchet, etc. We know that album went through so many transformations to the point where Fernando Garibay's work didn't make the cut and there are Act II and III unreleased material.

What I also could imagine is that she wasn't feeling the Songs when she started more d--g use mid 2012, to a point where she wasn't seeing herself in the Work. Maybe she was so d--gged that she was so didn't feel able to do music on her own, she was feeling like betraying her artistry so she let the producer have more work on the record. When she came clean and started being herself mid 2014, she realized what she did and how she was treating the situation. 

[djBuffoon 12,118]

10 minutes ago, Lord Ryry said:

It makes me genuinely sad to know that she knows a lot of people didn't like ARTPOP, I know it's naive to think she didn't know but to hear her actually say something about it. And to hear Elton say it's a blip ....  I loved ARTPOP personally. 

He didn't mean that the album was a blip. He meant the backlash she was getting was a blip, meaning that it was only temporary.

[Judas Oyster 1,914]

11 minutes ago, Lord Ryry said:

It makes me genuinely sad to know that she knows a lot of people didn't like ARTPOP, I know it's naive to think she didn't know but to hear her actually say something about it. And to hear Elton say it's a blip ....  I loved ARTPOP personally. 

I think it was Tony saying that, but Elton helping her too about just being herself.

And I don't think he's saying the music was a blip, but that she didn't reach her expectations. Just being supportive bc she obviously was feeling sad about the whole negative feedback she was getting ;d

[Didymus 34,379]

1 minute ago, Judas Oyster said:

I think it was Tony saying that

Tony definitely must have had an impact on her. I mean he told a magazine that he genuinely didn't understand why she was even doing pop music, implying that it was beneath her.

[Judas Oyster 1,914]

1 minute ago, Didymus said:

Tony definitely must have had an impact on her. I mean he told a magazine that he genuinely didn't understand why she was even doing pop music, implying that it was beneath her.

True true! As of today I actually think it ain't gonna be an electronic album, so really excited to see what genre she's gonna be focusing on

[kizurl 1,801]

I think ARTPOP strived to be a conceptual album, which it is. But what she is destined to do all along is to make songs/records with soul and raw emotion just like the traditional ways.

[djBuffoon 12,118]

11 minutes ago, Benji said:

I'm so glad she's finally addressing this. The amount of times other members and I have practically said this when defending ourselves from the ARTPOP Army was ridiculous

She's also said many, many times that she loves the album.

I suppose both statements can now be used in debate, but at the end of the day, who cares? Albums exist so that people can take it or leave it.

[Benji 20,113]

Just now, Didymus said:

I thought of this too. Finally we got the explanation for that.

To be honest, there still has to be a lot more about ARTPOP that we don't know.

I don't want to discredit Gaga at all, but the stories about her label and management are always a little bit off or missing some key details. Why did they allow her to release Born This Way (the album) which sounded nothing like what was popular at the time, but they had a problem with what she originally made for ARTPOP? I mean, she makes out that they wanted her to make a simple pop album (which she ultimately did) but why did they suddenly impose this on her when she had just created a very well received album that broke records whilst going against what was popular?

I'm guessing they just pushed her and pushed her to make "popular" music so she thought "f*ck it, get me some current sounding instrumentals and I'll just slap something over them"

Uhhh I don't know. I'm just glad ARTPOP is over, the album and that whole period behind the scenes are just off to me.

[djBuffoon 12,118]

5 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Tony definitely must have had an impact on her. I mean he told a magazine that he genuinely didn't understand why she was even doing pop music, implying that it was beneath her.

Can't say I agree with Tony here, at least not when it comes to Gaga's songwriting. In the case of her and several other artists, I don't think electronics and beats do anything to take away from the craftsmanship.

[Benji 20,113]

3 minutes ago, djBuffoon said:

She's also said many, many times that she loves the album.

I suppose both statements can now be used in debate, but at the end of the day, who cares? Albums exist so that people can take it or leave it.

Well you can't exactly go on a chat show and say "Buy my new album! I felt really uninspired and I was forced to make it by my label but it's on iTunes now!"

 

[Didymus 34,379]

2 minutes ago, Benji said:

To be honest, there still has to be a lot more about ARTPOP that we don't know.

I don't want to discredit Gaga at all, but the stories about her label and management are always a little bit off or missing some key details. Why did they allow her to release Born This Way (the album) which sounded nothing like what was popular at the time, but they had a problem with what she originally made for ARTPOP? I mean, she makes out that they wanted her to make a simple pop album (which she ultimately did) but why did they suddenly impose this on her when she had just created a very well received album that broke records whilst going against what was popular?

I'm guessing they just pushed her and pushed her to make "popular" music so she thought "f*ck it, get me some current sounding instrumentals and I'll just slap something over them"

Uhhh I don't know. I'm just glad ARTPOP is over, the album and that whole period behind the scenes are just off to me.

Reminds me of the times I thought that she made ARTPOP almost like a pastiche of popular EDM. I mean, obviously her producers could've pulled off something better and the borrowing of others' instrumentals also seems.. suspicious. Like, even if she couldn't build up songs from the ground herself, she didn't technically need other people's work. Could be intentional.

There are other things about the album too like that weird girl voice that accompanies Gaga's main melody in a few songs, most remarkably Swine in the second verse. Applause's chorus always reeked of self-parody, like some other weird era elements, most notably for me (something I just can't get over) that awful black card prop during Donatella @ artRAVE and the lack of ideas for that tour in general But I'm not sure. It's all so weird.

The tracklist itself is still a mystery, since in one of her first Applause interviews she basically revealed that Jimmy chose the songs instead of her. I don't know.. I agree with your last sentence lol.

[djBuffoon 12,118]

7 minutes ago, Benji said:

Well you can't exactly go on a chat show and say "Buy my new album! I felt really uninspired and I was forced to make it by my label but it's on iTunes now!"

2 years later, she has written posts about it, when she didn't even have to.   Oh well, we now have two definitive statements from her on the album, no point trying to argue about it.

[Benji 20,113]

12 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Reminds me of the times I thought that she made ARTPOP almost like a pastiche of popular EDM. I mean, obviously her producers could've pulled off something better and the borrowing of others' instrumentals also seems.. suspicious. Like, even if she couldn't build up songs from the ground herself, she didn't technically need other people's work. Could be intentional.

There are other things about the album too like that weird girl voice that accompanies Gaga's main melody in a few songs, most remarkably Swine in the second verse. Applause's chorus always reeked of self-parody, like some other weird era elements, most notably for me (something I just can't get over) that awful black card prop during Donatella @ artRAVE and the lack of ideas for that tour in general But I'm not sure. It's all so weird.

The tracklist itself is still a mystery, since in one of her first Applause interviews she basically revealed that Jimmy chose the songs instead of her. I don't know.. I agree with your last sentence lol.

It is very weird. There's other songs preARTPOP that also raise loads of questions about her creative process. I mean, Eh, Eh was written over an instrumental and Nothin' On wasn't even written by her yet she even spruced up the demo for a possible release on ARTPOP and that was extremely early on in the process of making it (BTWBall was still running) .... Bizarre.

I think she was kind of done with the album before it even came out. I mean that whole period of time of her creating, releasing and touring ARTPOP is strange.

I'm just confused as a whole, nothing really adds up about that time

[Mark 4,065]

Meh, she loves things then hates it, what's new?

 

[Lord Ryry 3,367]

1 hour ago, djBuffoon said:

He didn't mean that the album was a blip. He meant the backlash she was getting was a blip, meaning that it was only temporary.

Ah that makes more sense  thanks for clearing that up !