Didymus 34,379 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 1 minute ago, kizurl said: I dont see it as a bad thing. Being minimal and cutting back to suit appeal of the masses is the whole intention of ARTPOP. And its not degenerating but just trying to define our current culture (pop specifically) in its caricuture. It was an interesting direction but perhaps one that is too hard to swallow for both critics and masses What have you been smokin', sis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray of Light 8,134 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Not really. She's saying what many of us have been saying for ages; its wasn't her best effort nor the best display of her artistry. Sorry girls, it's not an opinion - it's a fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djBuffoon 12,118 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I'm not... really sure what she's saying in this bit. But I do believe that she loves the album, she has said so over and over and over again, even 2 years after the fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creyk 17,805 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Everyone else bashes it, maybe it's just a habit she also picked up, since she reads pop forums Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I don't really get what she's trying to say here. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auro 1,829 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I think she's saying that she had all these big song ideas for ARTPOP, she'd write emotional piano ballads but then get mad at herself because she let her label steer it off course He/They Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alien Tulip 12,428 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 5 minutes ago, Didymus said: It's a weird quote though. I mean, we know she started writing ARTPOP a week after BTW was released. If she's sincere in saying that she couldn't write on her piano because it confronted her with her inability to be a true artist that means that she was already facing enormous struggles from Interscope etc. throughout 2011 ànd 2012, not just 2013 as we were led to believe. It reminds me also of how Gaga said she played ARTPOP for Interscope in August 2012. Who knows, maybe that was her real artistic effort and her label killed it, leading to her artistic frustration she's talking about here. Poor girl. Yup she definitely started facing struggles with Interscope in 2011. I remember her saying the original single order of born this way was supposed to be: Born This Way, Marry The Night, Scheiße and then The Edge Of Glory as the final single. Interscope chose Judas and You and I and I guess she got fed up for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 2 minutes ago, djBuffoon said: I'm not... really sure what she's saying in this bit. But I do believe that she loves the album, she has said so over and over and over again, even 2 years after the fact. I think it's probably a mixture of things. From this quote you can only conclude that she had to make an electronic heavy album and rely on producers because she was artistically frustrated. That of course makes it an album that is not a true artistic expression, but at the same time she definitely used ARTPOP as a channel for her frustrations anyway. So I think she loves it as something that kept her going when really she could've just given up. It's just sad that the actual ARTPOP era made it even worse, so we should all be very thankful that she didn't just throw in the towel in December 2013. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ryry 3,367 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 It makes me genuinely sad to know that she knows a lot of people didn't like ARTPOP, I know it's naive to think she didn't know but to hear her actually say something about it. And to hear Elton say it's a blip .... I loved ARTPOP personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson123 38,293 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I don't really get what she's saying here. This is why sometimes her comments make no sense. For example, they finished Born This Way and told DJWS "The next one is called ARTPOP, let's go" and they started working on it. My question is, did that happen and months later she got hurt, took a break and THEN that piano thing happened ? I don't know, maybe. I don't think she's bashing ARTPOP, it probably brings her sad memories, but I also don't like the fact that she called this her "first real album", like she did with Born This Way, but anyway, it's her. I learned not to take serious some of the things she randomly says. Btw, this could also be about the first ARTPOP version, the one with TEA, Ratchet, etc. We know that album went through so many transformations to the point where Fernando Garibay's work didn't make the cut and there are Act II and III unreleased material. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterAndGrease 594 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Like many other times in the past I don't get what Gags means and she can easily get misunderstood so I choose to believe she still loves her most flawless album to date (IMO) because it helped her overcome her personal problems as she said in 2013/2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Bashing is a little bit of an exaggeration, she's just acknowledging the fact she wasn't in the right frame of mind to be as creative as she normally is due to various reasons. I'm so glad she's finally addressing this. The amount of times other members and I have practically said this when defending ourselves from the ARTPOP Army was ridiculous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 1 minute ago, Alan123 said: I don't really get what she's saying here. This is why sometimes her comments make no sense. For example, they finished Born This Way and told DJWS "The next one is called ARTPOP, let's go" and they started working on it. My question is, did that happen and months later she got hurt, took a break and THEN that piano thing happened ? I don't know, maybe. On the previous page I suggested that maybe we need to think back of the time when she said she played (a finished) ARTPOP to Interscope in August 2012. This could be an explanation for what you're suggesting here. Interscope could've killed it. I agree with the middle part of your post then: she definitely made a lot of bogus statements about the album just as part of her promo. I'm sure she didn't want to give the impression that this album wasn't to her liking, I mean that would be suicide. Remember when she did Howard Stern and she said: "Finally an interesting interview, I'm so OVER promoting my album!"? Such little moments occurred throughout the era. So I think we really need to distinguish between her promo talk and genuine statements like this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 5 minutes ago, Alan123 said: Btw, this could also be about the first ARTPOP version, the one with TEA, Ratchet, etc. We know that album went through so many transformations to the point where Fernando Garibay's work didn't make the cut. I think she's talking about the whole experience, including the final product. I mean the ARTPOP we got is mostly written over beats or already made instrumentals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 1 minute ago, Benji said: or already made instrumentals. I thought of this too. Finally we got the explanation for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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