Gaga nominated for a Sattelite Award (Best Actress, Drama)

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Some people just couldn't leave well enough alone.

OT: So happy for her! Either this or PCA but I hope she wins at least one award for AHS.

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15 minutes ago, SpaceAce said:

This is where I find your opinion strange though... this award is much different than the People's Choice Awards. It's much harder to discredit her nomination here because these are industry people, with experience and knowledge of film, who have voted for her to be nominated amongst those other names. Whereas the PCA nominations are purely driven by marketing and public opinion. There's really no comparison. Despite her competition in the Sattelite category being so much more experienced and accomplished, she's still very much deserving of being there based on the process of selecting they have in place. The PCA nomination is the only nomination to be debated but it's not even worth the time.

Well, I think you're going a bit too far. Sattelite nominations are always 100% predictable (to me at least) and their nominations are most obviously based on the most commercially successful/most talked about projects. So there is a comparison to me at least on that dimension, though I agree the awards are totally different.

But I think you fail to see my perspective: it's precisely because the Sattelite Awards are such a big deal and have such big names in their lists that I think Gaga's presence is laughable. I was left completely unimpressed not just by the whole Hotel season but also by Gaga's character/acting and I was not alone - I kept an eye on the reviews and still do, and I didn't expect her to be nominated for an award at all based on that, not just my own opinion.

So no, her being nominated by supposed "industry people" isn't magically gonna change my mind about her acting. I agree that it's a big deal and it's exciting if she wins, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna think she should've been up there. Her acting isn't good enough to be considered in my opinion and I don't give a **** if some industry peeps disagree with me - if they seriously think Gaga is one of the best actresses on television this year then I just have to conclude they don't know ****. And no that doesn't mean I think Gaga is a **** actress but based on her performance in this particular role, I think it's absolutely crazy to state that her acting is even remarkable on any level in the pool of acting performances of 2015.

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6 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Well, I think you're going a bit too far. Satellite nominations are always 100% predictable (to me at least) and their nominations are most obviously based on the most commercially successful/most talked about projects. So there is a comparison to me at least on that dimension, though I agree the awards are totally different.

But I think you fail to see my perspective: it's precisely because the Satellite Awards are such a big deal and have such big names in their lists that I think Gaga's presence is laughable. I was left completely unimpressed not just by the whole Hotel season but also by Gaga's character/acting and I was not alone - I kept an eye on the reviews and still do, and I didn't expect her to be nominated for an award at all based on that, not just my own opinion.

So no, her being nominated by supposed "industry people" isn't magically gonna change my mind about her acting. I agree that it's a big deal and it's exciting if she wins, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna think she should've been up there. Her acting isn't good enough to be considered in my opinion and I don't give a **** if some industry peeps disagree with me - if they seriously think Gaga is one of the best actresses on television this year then I just have to conclude they don't know ****.

Well, I'm coming in with a totally different place regarding the reviews I've read and my opinion of her acting. And I'm pretty sure most reputable awards are predictable but my point stands. I think I even mentioned only actors/actresses from reputable shows get a shot at these awards. And I've never really set out here to change your mind on her acting. Everyone has different taste.

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Just now, SpaceAce said:

Well, I'm coming in with a totally different place regarding the reviews I've read and my opinion of her acting. And I'm pretty sure most reputable awards are predictable but my point stands. I've never really set out here to change your mind on her acting. Everyone has different taste.

If your point is just that the Satellite Awards are a big deal and that Gaga was chosen by industry people who care about quality (even though I think that that particular choice negates that idea) then I already agreed multiple times so of course your point stands.

But as was clear from the very first post I made on this thread, I don't care about that. I can't imagine any serious journalist/critic choosing Gaga as one of the most remarkable lead actresses on televion this year based on her performance. Nothing more, nothing less.

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7 minutes ago, Didymus said:

If your point is just that the Satellite Awards are a big deal and that Gaga was chosen by industry people who care about quality (even though I think that that particular choice negates that idea) then I already agreed multiple times so of course your point stands.

But as was clear from the very first post I made on this thread, I don't care about that. I can't imagine any serious journalist/critic choosing Gaga as one of the most remarkable lead actresses on televion this year based on her performance. Nothing more, nothing less.

Again, only certain shows with a reputation and a good marketing budget, and actors within those shows, get recognition. If you truly want to look at this category with that perspective, I don't even think the other names nominated come close to being the best in television. So... again... this is a pretty unfair conversation to have just because of Gaga's presence on the list. She's an actress on AHS, and is going to get recognition for doing well with that platform. I'm not sure you're ever going to find an award in the film industry that is totally based on talent alone. And if you ever do, please let me know.

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Why so much negativity? I am really happy Gaga is nominated! even if she doesnt win. Is there a full list of nominees?

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20 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Sattelite nominations are always 100% predictable (to me at least) and their nominations are most obviously based on the most commercially successful/most talked about projects. So there is a comparison to me at least on that dimension, though I agree the awards are totally different.

Not necessarily. Their nominations (as well as the Independent Spirit awards) are usually the very first to be announced in the awards season, and many times, their choices do end up in the running for Emmys and Oscars. But they've also singled out many performances/films through the years that were deserving and decidedly not predictable. Unlike the AMPAS, it appears as if these folks actually watch the films and shows under consideration.

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I found the other nominations, but Gaga is not listed in "Actress in a Series, Drama"?

http://www.pressacademy.com/award_cat/2015/

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2 minutes ago, DonchoMonster said:

I found the other nominations, but Gaga is not listed in "Actress in a Series, Drama"?

http://www.pressacademy.com/award_cat/2015/

That's from last year? Next noms would be 2016

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1 minute ago, SpaceAce said:

That's from last year.

Really? All the same nominees? xD

I think its from this year, since The Hunting Ground is nominated...

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6 minutes ago, SpaceAce said:

Again, only certain shows with a reputation and a good marketing budget, and actors within those shows, get recognition. If you truly want to look at this category with that perspective, I don't even think the other names nominated come close to being the best in television. So... again... this is a pretty unfair conversation to have just because of Gaga's presence on the list. She's an actress on AHS, and is going to get recognition for doing well with that platform. I'm not sure you're ever going to find an award in the film industry that is totally based on talent alone. And if you ever do, please let me know.

AHS doesn't even have a good reputation though that's what confuses me. Hotel is the worst received season yet and critical praise for AHS never had sufficient heights to be nominated as a show at any point, come on So I guess then it comes down 100% to good marketing budget in Gaga's case. Which is fine, but then you basically admit (in my opinion) that her nomination really isn't so substantial, especially if you claim here that the other names aren't even close (!) to the best in television, with which I agree.

So remind me again why I need to be thrilled she's nominated?

5 minutes ago, djBuffoon said:

Not necessarily. Their nominations (as well as the Independent Spirit awards) are usually the very first to be announced in the awards season, and many times, their choices do end up in the running for Emmys and Oscars. But they've also singled out many performances/films through the years that were deserving and decidedly not predictable. Unlike the AMPAS, it appears as if these folks actually watch the films and shows under consideration.

I don't see that reflected in their nominations at all.

But whatever, I'm kind of tired of talking about it. It's kinda frustrating to constantly have to defend your own opinion (simply that I think she couldn't be considered for any acting award because she's not in any way rising above a standard acting norm) just because people aren't ok with your first (and what was meant to be the only) post about it.

I mean, basically the only thing I can conclude from this discussion is that this award system does not reflect talent, but that we should all be happy because it's a big award anyway. I mean, sure, I already said multiple times it's a big deal, but I still think it's a stupid nomination. The only thing that this whole discussion added to my original opinion was that this nomination is even more stupid and pointless than I thought it was.

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1 minute ago, DonchoMonster said:

Really? All the same nominees? xD

I think its from this year, since The Hunting Ground is nominated...

 

You're right. I think they've made an error, considering the actors category has seven nominated and the actresses only have 6. They've left out Gaga on that page...

 

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1 minute ago, Didymus said:

AHS doesn't even have a good reputation though that's what confuses me. Hotel is the worst received season yet and critical praise for AHS never had sufficient heights to be nominated as a show at any point, come on So I guess then it comes down 100% to good marketing budget in Gaga's case. Which is fine, but then you basically admit (in my opinion) that her nomination really isn't so substantial, especially if you claim here that the other names aren't even close (!) to the best in television, with which I agree.

So remind me again why I need to be thrilled she's nominated?

I don't see that reflected in their nominations at all.

But whatever, I'm kind of tired of talking about it. It's kinda frustrating to constantly have to defend your own opinion (simply that I think she couldn't be considered for any acting award because she's not in any way rising above a standard acting norm) just because people aren't ok with your first (and what was meant to be the only) post about it.

I mean, basically the only thing I can conclude from this discussion is that this award system does not reflect talent, but that we should all be happy because it's a big award anyway. I mean, sure, I already said multiple times it's a big deal, but I still think it's a stupid nomination. The only thing that this whole discussion added to my original opinion was that this nomination is even more stupid and pointless than I thought it was.

Well firstly, you don't need to be thrilled. But every single award is based in this scenario, so why pay attention to any of them at all? Because it's still a level of recognition and merit that's tied to the industry thriving and being culturally relevant. In my opinion, this is simply nice and I hope she enjoys herself if she gets to attend. I'm proud that the members who vote overlooked her pop star persona and decided she was doing well in her new role as an actress. Industry types typically don't take very well to outsiders.

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Just now, SpaceAce said:

Well firstly, you don't need to be thrilled. But every single award is based in this scenario, so why pay attention to any of them at all? Because it's still a level of recognition and merit that's tied to the industry thriving and being culturally relevant. In my opinion, this is simply nice and I hope she enjoys herself if she gets to attend. I'm proud that the members who vote overlooked her pop star persona and decided she was doing well in her new role as an actress. Industry types typically don't take very well to outsiders.

Well, I already said I'm happy for her and it's a great opportunity for her to even be nominated so we perfectly align there. And I guess I was wrong for saying she shouldn't be nominated since this award isn't even gonna reflect real acting talent in the first place (I see that now), so I definitely won't be commenting like that again.

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Just now, Didymus said:

Well, I already said I'm happy for her and it's a great opportunity for her to even be nominated so we perfectly align there. And I guess I was wrong for saying she shouldn't be nominated since this award isn't even gonna reflect real acting talent in the first place (I see that now), so I definitely won't be commenting like that again.

I probably could have phrased my opinion better. This conversation would have been much shorter.