Kylie Jenner 'obsessed with Lady Gaga'

[LaLuna 12,732]

This is kind of disappointing tbh. I mean, Gaga was very nice to Kylie, which is cool, but the way she told her to keep doing what she was doing because "people are obsessed with it" is not very good advice in my opinion. If she really wanted to give Kylie some useful advice, she should have told her to find her passion and to do something meaningful with her life. 

[Ronlop 6,882]

6 minutes ago, Didymus said:

My timeline:

Early 2014: "**** you pop music!" + an interview in which she both criticized and defended major enterprises, which was confusing and basically hollow but still the most interesting interview she did in years. This interview, for me, just embodies the paradoxical nature of this entire period. She proclaimed proudly that she would go back to singing in bars if she would ever have to change herself while admitting a few minutes later that she has several finished music albums that she doesn't wanna release because she loathes the music industry and what they'd do with it.

Then there was of course G.U.Y. which proclaimed the image of a new career phase in which she would take on the industry and rebuild it entirely to suit her own purposes, based on the fundamental virtues of peace and love.

And then she sang covers all through 2014 and 2015, dressing down in outfits that basically any celebrity could've worn. She asked for a role in AHS (something she said she'd never do a few years back), she started playing around with the idea of creating a pet food/clothing line (do I even need to comment on that), boasted of her multi-million dollar mansion (which contradicts several earlier cornerstone statements) on Instagram, couldn't explain to Howard Stern why she moved to L.A., a place she said she couldn't stand, blurted out she loved Hollywood on stage, took back her entire earlier persona by saying she was just a depressed girl who created "Lady Gaga" to cope with life (negating nearly all of her artistic statements that made her notorious), started to care about what the world thought of her (even implying that she had to change her own music because of it),...

I mean, it's really just a mystery to me. She made G.U.Y. as a symbol of her future and then she basically just has the most non-artistic period we ever had in which she nearly systematically contradicted herself every turn. You'd almost be convinced to believe she's doing it on purpose

I don't think it's bad. I just don't get it.

Wow! You made some great points tbh.

As to why she moved to L.A, she told Howard that it's because LA helps her with her depression. I do remember that. However, I definitely agree with you. 2015 in general was definitely not the Lady Gaga I knew. I really liked this year and I loved the Oscars, I Want Your Love but to me, it just feels like she is contradicting herself. I also noticed how she said during the Emotion interview thingy about her being a "public figure" and that's where it kind of hit me? I think Gaga managed her career this year as if she is a public figure: Got a main acting role without auditioning (in which she was against to as you well mentioned), launch a pet clothing line and the list goes on.

She also mentioned in a E! Interview that Ryan Murphy told her she was an "old movie star" and to me, it seems like she took it too seriously this year. She changes her image so many times. She's never the same and I'm not talking about her cloths or these type of things. Her attitude is just so different from year to year. It's almost as if she switches personas per year. So I wonder sometimes if she really is deliberately doing this. 

[Levine 23,562]

I will be shocked if Gaga's next single/era doesn't smash.

The 2015 has been great and she prepared the field for a great comeback. Two years ago people won't even mention her because it was uncool, now I'm started to see more people who talk about her in the media.

[Didymus 34,379]

2 minutes ago, Ronlop said:

Wow! You made some great points tbh.

As to why she moved to L.A, she told Howard that it's because LA helps her with her depression. I do remember that. 

lmfao I remember that too. This is how it went:

HS: "So why did you move to L.A. then?"

LG: "It's sunny and sun is good for depression."

HS: "So are you still depressed then?"

LG: *awkward silence* "No."

*more awkward silence*

Agreed with the rest of your points. I doubt it's on purpose because I mean.. you wouldn't think she would buy a multi-million Malibu mansion just to prove a point. But yeah, I'm very curious to see how her next era will play out.

[Whispering 18,865]

27 minutes ago, Didymus said:

lmfao I remember that too. This is how it went:

HS: "So why did you move to L.A. then?"

LG: "It's sunny and sun is good for depression."

HS: "So are you still depressed then?"

LG: *awkward silence* "No."

*more awkward silence*

Agreed with the rest of your points. I doubt it's on purpose because I mean.. you wouldn't think she would buy a multi-million Malibu mansion just to prove a point. But yeah, I'm very curious to see how her next era will play out.

She wasn't depressed at the time of the Stern interview. That doesn't mean that she doesn't have a history of recurring depression. That's why she bought a house in LA...not to prove a point, but to be proactive in managing her depression. 

[Didymus 34,379]

8 minutes ago, Whispering said:

She wasn't depressed at the time of the Stern interview. That doesn't mean that she doesn't have a history of recurring depression. That's why she bought a house in LA...not to prove a point, but to be proactive in managing her depression. 

The "to make a point" thing wasn't really related to depression, but to what me and Ronlop talked about above. But I don't really believe that she bought a Malibu mansion to be proactive in managing her depression though She's just rich and that's what she wanted.

The interview part I was referring to was audibly awkward and to me it was just clear that Gaga felt caught off guard by the questions about L.A., since she hadn't said a word about it before that interview and he correctly confronted her with her earlier statements, and just made something up in the moment, which then worked against her and Howard just stopped asking about it because it was clear she was uncomfortable and she kept evading Howard's question.

I'm only bringing it up because I think it's curious and kinda funny to see how it all unravelled, especially given how visibly cheap and underwhelming ARTPOP was and how much money she spent on something she said she didn't need. If I think back about her saying she wanted to spend all her earned money on her career I just have to cackle and I don't feel bad about it.

[Whispering 18,865]

Just now, Didymus said:

The "to make a point" thing wasn't really related to depression, but to what me and Ronlop talked about above. But I don't really believe that she bought a Malibu mansion to be proactive in managing her depression though She's just rich and that's what she wanted. The interview part I was referring to was audibly awkward and to me it was just clear that Gaga felt caught off guard by the questions about L.A., since she hadn't said a word about it before that interview and he correctly confronted her with her earlier statements, and just made something up in the moment, which then worked against her and Howard just stopped asking about it because it was clear she was uncomfortable and she kept evading Howard's question.

I'm only bringing it up because I think it's curious and kinda funny to see how it all unravelled.

Well, if you don't believe her, then it must not be true. Lol

She bought a house years after she could have, and choose a sunny environment with plenty of land to go outside and be left alone. Something she should have done years ago, tbh. Good for her! Looks like it is working out well for her and she is in a happy and healthy place. 

 

[Killa 17,463]

Then you better make use of those 40 million.

When LG5 comes, baby you know what to do!!

#TheNeverEndingImpact

[Didymus 34,379]

4 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Well, if you don't believe her, then it must not be true. Lol

She bought a house years after she could have, and choose a sunny environment with plenty of land to go outside and be left alone. Something she should have done years ago, tbh. Good for her! Looks like it is working out well for her and she is in a happy and healthy place. 

That's not what I said.. you just came up with something that is not proven and that Gaga never even addressed. I'm not making a truth claim. I'm just saying how I interpreted everything I could see.

I don't disagree with the second half, actually. Indeed, she should have done it years ago instead of pretending she was better than others for not doing it.

[Whispering 18,865]

5 minutes ago, Didymus said:

That's not what I said.. you just came up with something that is not proven and that Gaga never even addressed. I'm not making a truth claim. I'm just saying how I interpreted everything I could see.

I don't disagree with the second half, actually. Indeed, she should have done it years ago instead of pretending she was better than others for not doing it.

Eh, she didn't feel that way then. Now, she does. Human beings change and evolve as they go through life and Gaga isn't an exception...she's like everyone else. 

[Didymus 34,379]

Just now, Whispering said:

Eh, she didn't feel that way then. Now, she does. Human beings change and evolve as they go through life and Gaga isn't an exception...she's like everyone else. 

God, this argument again

I know that, but jeez, imagine if she was just a normal person for a sec and she was your friend and she did all this contradicting stuff. Sure, you'd still love her, sure you'd respect her and understand that people can change, but you sure as hell would want at least an acknowledgment of the fact that she changed and that maybe her holier-than-thou attitude was comical at best in hindsight. You would. And that's why I would like that to happen, not because I consider Gaga to be my friend but because I had to endure years of ridiculous pandering for no reason while personally investing in her success.

And obviously I'm not demanding that explanation, but like I said, I would just respect her 1000x more if she would just own up to her **** for once and admit that her bigger-than-life artistic game failed and she hasn't managed to keep her story straight for years now.

[NewUsername 11,393]

Just last night I dreamt that Gaga posted an IG pic of Kylie like how she did of Lucky Blue Smith. 

[Whispering 18,865]

11 minutes ago, Didymus said:

God, this argument again

I know that, but jeez, imagine if she was just a normal person for a sec and she was your friend and she did all this contradicting stuff. Sure, you'd still love her, sure you'd respect her and understand that people can change, but you sure as hell would want at least an acknowledgment of the fact that she changed and that maybe her holier-than-thou attitude was comical at best in hindsight. You would. And that's why I would like that to happen, not because I consider Gaga to be my friend but because I had to endure years of ridiculous pandering for no reason while personally investing in her success.

And obviously I'm not demanding that explanation, but like I said, I would just respect her 1000x more if she would just own up to her **** for once and admit that her bigger-than-life artistic game failed and she hasn't managed to keep her story straight for years now.

Black and White thinking is typical and to be expected in the early adult years, as people learn about themselves and the world around them. With a few exceptions (people with certain personality disorders or religious fanatics), the majority of young adults transition from Black and White thinking to seeing the world in shades of grey. All of my friends have gone through this change or are going through it at this time. We don't distrust each other, because we all have gone through the same changes. No one cares that the people that said they would "never get married" or "live in the suburbs" or "have kids" are fully embracing those Nevers now...because we've all done the same. Why would I judge my friends, who are simply growing and changing as they grow up? That would be silly! 

No one's "story is straight" in their twenties. Everyone is inconsistent and the "Nevers" and "Always" have given way to reality. I don't judge Gaga any harsher than I would judge my friends, family, co-workers or myself.

[Enhsa 2,043]

That's cool, shes so sweet

[Didymus 34,379]

Just now, Whispering said:

Black and White thinking is typical and to be expected in the early adult years, as people learn about themselves and the world around them. With a few exceptions (people with certain personality disorders or religious fanatics), the majority of young adults transition from Black and White thinking to seeing the world in shades of grey. All of my friends have gone through this change or are going through it at this time. We don't distrust each other, because we all have gone through the same changes. No one cares that the people that said they would "never get married" or "live in the suburbs" or "have kids" are fully embracing those Nevers now...because we've all done the same. Why would I judge my friends, who are simply growing and changing as they grow up? That would be silly! 

No one's "story is straight" in their twenties. Everyone is inconsistent and the "Nevers" and "Always" have given way to reality. I don't judge Gaga any harsher than I would judge my friends, family, co-workers or myself.

That.. was interesting but I could basically copy my last reply to this one

But we totally get each other and I agree! I'm just saying that I have no problem accepting and respecting change as a very natural process, but on the other hand, I still would like (like, I'm not demanding) at least an acknowledgment of the other person being aware of it, especially when that black and white thinking (which in my opinion never applied to Gaga's career schmaltz anyway, but ok) was used in the past for very specific reasons.

Anyway, whatever, I typed this so many times now I'm almost convincing myself I actually care about this. She can do whatever the **** she wants, I would just appreciate something I'll probably never get but that is so not on my priority list I sholud probably just stop talking about it now before I send out the wrong impression again.