Supersonic 49,376 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Appearently one of the attackers posed as a Syrian refugee instead. This is the major trick of ISIS. They deliberately try to monger hatred against Muslims in Western countries so the Muslim population feels ostracized, gets discriminated against and feels hopeless until they feel so marginalized that they feel like they have no other way but turning to ISIS. They've been successfully employing this tactic in every region they control so far. I refuse to be manipulated into hating people that have done no wrong. Do you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthurhmangum 4,408 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Expose ha! Stressed, depressed, but well dressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 99,106 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 People are still gonna say so anyways, sadly If you see me posting like crazy, I'm either bored or procrastinating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Yes, the goal of ISIS is to destroy the "grey zone". 》... The goal, of course, is to inflict trauma, fear, paranoia, suspicion, panic and terror – but there is a particularly twisted logic as part of this continuum of violence, which is to draw the western world into an apocalyptic civilizational Armageddon with ‘Islam.’ ISIS recognizes that it has only marginal support amongst Muslims around the world. The only way it can accelerate recruitment and strengthen its territorial ambitions is twofold: firstly, demonstrating to Islamist jihadist networks that there is now only one credible terror game in town capable of pulling off spectacular terrorist attacks in the heart of the west, and two, by deteriorating conditions of life for Muslims all over the world to draw them into joining or supporting ISIS. Both these goals depend on two constructs: the ‘crusader’ civilisation of the ‘kuffar’ (disbelievers) pitted against the authentic ‘Islamic’ utopia of ISIS. In their own literature shortly after the Charlie Hebdo attacks, ISIS shamelessly drew on the late Osama bin Laden’s endorsement of the words of President George W. Bush, to justify this apocalyptic vision: “The world today is divided into two camps. Bush spoke the truth when he said, ‘either you are with us or you are with the terrorists.’ Meaning either you are with the crusade or you are with Islam.” Continuing in its English-language magazine, Dabiq, ISIS forecasted the “extinction” of the “grey zone” between these two camps: “One of the first matters renounced by the hypocrites abandoning the grayzone and fleeing to the camp of apostasy and kufr after the operations in Paris is the clear-cut obligation to kill those who mock the Messenger [Muhammad]. The evidences [religious justification based on Islamic sources] for this issue are so abundant and clear, and yet some apostates, who abandoned the grayzone, claimed that the operations in Paris contradicted the teachings of Islam!... There is no doubt that such deeds are apostasy, that those who publicly call to such deeds in the name of Islam and scholarship are from the du’āt (callers) to apostasy, and that there is great reward awaiting the Muslim in the Hereafter if he kills these apostate imāms…” The strategy behind this call to “kill” apostate Muslims who reject ISIS is also laid out candidly: to terrorise western countries into genocidal violence against their own Muslim populations: “The Muslims in the West will quickly find themselves between one of two choices, they either apostatize and adopt the kufrī [infidel] religion propagated by Bush, Obama, Blair, Cameron, Sarkozy, and Hollande in the name of Islam so as to live amongst the kuffār [infidels] without hardship, or they perform hijrah [emigrate] to the Islamic State and thereby escape persecution from the crusader governments and citizens... Muslims in the crusader countries will find themselves driven to abandon their homes for a place to live in the Khilāfah, as the crusaders increase persecution against Muslims living in Western lands so as to force them into a tolerable sect of apostasy in the name of 'Islam' before forcing them into blatant Christianity and democracy.” 《 https://www.opendemocracy.net/nafeez-ahmed/isis-wants-destroy-greyzone-how-we-defend FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade 5,603 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Still, some countries will close their boarders to them because they want to and they'll take the attack as an excuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobster 14,604 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Even if they were Syrian refugees, that would still not justify closing borders... But I'm only a man and I do what I can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Since when is word play news? I mean everyone was worried about them posing as refugees, not that they actually are refugees. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 1 minute ago, Benji said: Since when is word play news? I mean everyone was worried about them posing as refugees, not that they actually are refugees. There is no actual evidence that he was on a boat with refugees, another man with same name was arrested in Serbia, both him and the attacker had forged passports with same name and numbers but different photo. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 5 minutes ago, lego said: There is no actual evidence that he was on a boat with refugees, another man with same name was arrested in Serbia, both him and the attacker had forged passports with same name and numbers but different photo. I'm not arguing whether they moved with or without refugees. I'm saying it's stupid to say "it turns out they're not refugees!" when they're not since a refugee is fleeing trouble, not trying to cause it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 7 minutes ago, Benji said: I'm not arguing whether they moved with or without refugees. I'm saying it's stupid to say "it turns out they're not refugees!" when they're not since a refugee is fleeing trouble, not trying to cause it. Yeah I understand, but you can see how most are using this attack to say send them all home and close the borders. Some were arguing that attack would be prevented without refugee crisis, which is not true. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JbGaga 2,261 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 This is false http://nypost.com/2015/11/15/two-syrian-refugees-among-seven-terrorists-in-paris-attacks/ http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/15/europe/paris-attacks-passports/ stop trying to take sources from twitter... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Just now, lego said: Yeah I understand, but you can see how most are using this attack to say send them all home and close the borders. Some were arguing that attack would be prevented without refugee crisis, which is not true. One of them has been reported as exploiting the refugee crisis though as he did pass as a refugee through Greece. It's honestly hard to say whether the refugee crisis had an effect on the attack though. I mean with resources being further stretched in Europe, it's kind of easy to say the crisis has had an effect in general on Europe. I'm personally torn on accepting the refugees. I'm just glad the ones we're allowing to legally enter are family units. We need to kick the refugees out of Calais though, I'm struggling to find any pity whatsoever for the ones there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic 49,376 Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 5 minutes ago, JbGaga said: This is false http://nypost.com/2015/11/15/two-syrian-refugees-among-seven-terrorists-in-paris-attacks/ http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/15/europe/paris-attacks-passports/ stop trying to take sources from twitter... Stop using inaccurate reports made shortly after the news broke when stories kept on being produced till infinity. None of the identified attackers are Syrian refugees. Deal with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JbGaga 2,261 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 3 minutes ago, amenvodka said: Stop using inaccurate reports made shortly after the news broke when stories kept on being produced till infinity. None of the identified attackers are Syrian refugees. Deal with it. Twitter and blogs now the ultimate source. I would say more to you but I might be reported Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic 49,376 Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 3 minutes ago, JbGaga said: Twitter and blogs now the ultimate source. I would say more to you but I might be repoted And American mass media outlets that align their stories to fit certain stereotypical narratives are? Also: Congratulations on being manipulated by ISIS and American mass media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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