Why all of a sudden?

[djBuffoon 12,115]

Totally. And I can enjoy the album for what it is, but it's arguably her worst. A lot of fans definitely try to make it out as more than it is to compensate for the bad reviews/press.

Okay, wait a minute... Wouldn't it be a perfectly fair and reasonable opinion for someone to say that ARTPOP is her best? Or would it not be fair because it's not an opinion you carry as well?

[FATCAT 59,992]

So I remember during the ARTPOP era, when the album was coming out and everyone was freaking out. I remember how everyone was talking about how they loved every song and how amazing it was. Well, how come all of a sudden people are acting like the album is a piece of ****? I get it, people change, and your music tastes changes. But it doesn't mean that it's a bad song, I don't know... I just get frustrated, I'm just tired of seeing people saying Gaga flipped. I mean, even Monsters say this stuff. As Monsters, we agree and stand by what she says, but I haven't really been seeing that all the time lately. Discuss below! 

`Well, there's a million different answers one could give. But for me, personally, it was the aging of the album. After a good week, most songs sounded old. I'm not saying they weren't good, I loved and still love them all for different reasons, except dope (#TeamIWannaBeWithYou), but I just wan't pumped to listen to the album every time I had a chance. Even to this day, when I think of BTW, I immediately get excited to re-listen to the album, and this easily parallels with other non-gaga albums. It just didn't age well. (Though, Applause is aging quite well, I should add)

[Harry 26,836]

Okay, wait a minute... Wouldn't it be a perfectly fair and reasonable opinion for someone to say that ARTPOP is her best? Or would it not be fair because it's not an opinion you carry as well?

Yes it would be...

[SKANK 14,288]

I actually find ARTPOP to be a very high quality album, so your argument is completely invalid to me.

 

You are entitled to whatever opinion you'd like about the quality of the music on ARTPOP, your opinion as as valid as mine, regardless of what you may think.

The issue is you and other people accusing those who disagree with you of being thoughtless band wagoners. You can't dismiss an opinion just because it's a popular opinion.

[djBuffoon 12,115]

It received mixed reviews for a reason. It's her first album not to receive Grammy nominations for a reason. The reason is not "everyone hates my fav now wahhh." The reason is, the quality of the music isn't up to par.

Granted, and that is your take on the material. Also worth noting that countless works of art, regardless of medium, were granted lukewarm reviews and zero accolades upon release, but have grown in favor. I feel that will be the case with this album. Who knows. We'll talk in 10-20 years  

[Klou 2,414]

 

You are entitled to whatever opinion you'd like about the quality of the music on ARTPOP, your opinion as as valid as mine, regardless of what you may think.

The issue is you and other people accusing those who disagree with you of being thoughtless band wagoners. You can't dismiss an opinion just because it's a popular opinion.

Can I ask if you disliked ARTPOP from the beginning?

[Dark Anatomy 2,284]

I can't speak for anyone but myself...

When I heard the first leak of ARTPOP I cancelled all of my orders. Since then I have always stood by the fact that I didn't like it, with the exception of gems like DWUW and Gypsy.

But I too have noticed that more and more people are jumping on the I hate ARTPOP bandwagon, even by a few members here who were so "slayed" and "scalped" by it when it was released.  

 

[Katsuki Bakugo 9,788]

It didn't meet people's expectations... why is there even a discussion about this? who even cares...

if you enjoy it good... if you don't well you clearly don't have taste... I joke... that opinion is fine as well... ARTPOP is way below what she is capable of and only has a few songs that are worthy of being in her public domain discography... 

Aura, Venus, Guy, DWUW, ARTPOP, MJH, Dope, Gypsy and Applause... that should have been the album... and it would be much stronger...

[SKANK 14,288]

Granted, and that is your take on the material. Also worth noting that countless works of art, regardless of medium, were granted lukewarm reviews and zero accolades upon release, but have grown in favor. I feel that will be the case with this album. Who knows. We'll talk in 10-20 years  

 

Hopefully in 20 years I will have found meaning in my life and shudder to think back on the days when I debated with strangers about the quality of a Lady Gaga record.

 

Can I ask if you disliked ARTPOP from the beginning?

I remember the night Applause leaked in bits and parts, and was not impressed, and I continued to be be unimpressed after listening to the entire record. There are certainly parts of the record and its "era" that I enjoy, but as a whole I don't think highly of ARTPOP and haven't since the beginning.

However, even if I had thought it was a great record on day one, and do not now, that wouldn't necessarily mean my opinions are swayed by popular opinion, nor that I'm a sheep.

The trend of invalidating other people's opinions by insulting their ability to think for themselves is not cute.

[Miel 15,009]

Oddly enough, I severely disliked the album at first. It definitely grew on me.

It's not a bad album- in fact, I think a lot of its outward concepts and internal metaphors are absolutely brilliant, maybe even a stretch to say her most intricate and smartest.

But, I very much acknowledge that it is, in comparison to her other works, a bit lukewarm. Better than The Fame, but not up to par with TFM or BTW (this is just my personal taste). I'm just grateful all of her albums are relatively fantastic.

That said, one of my absolute favorite aspects of the album is the subtle yet intense contrast of tragedy and triumph.

[Klou 2,414]

 

 

 

I remember the night Applause leaked in bits and parts, and was not impressed, and I continued to be be unimpressed after listening to the entire record. There are certainly parts of the record and its "era" that I enjoy, but as a whole I don't think highly of ARTPOP and haven't since the beginning.

However, even if I had thought it was a great record on day one, and do not now, that wouldn't necessarily mean my opinions are swayed by popular opinion, nor that I'm a sheep.

The trend of invalidating other people's opinions by insulting their ability to think for themselves is not cute.

Then I don't understand why you're getting flustered since this topic clearly does not apply to you. And it is fact that there are people that are swayed by other's opinions and I can bet that someone has had that effect on you in your life. So to say it's not cute is denying something that's a possibility.

While my statement was pretty broad, I am not dumb and know it doesn't apply to everyone that changed their mind, BUT I do strongly believe that there are truly some that bandwagoned on like I said. 

[SKANK 14,288]

Then I don't understand why you're getting flustered since this topic clearly does not apply to you. And it is fact that there are people that are swayed by other's opinions and I can bet that someone has had that effect on you in your life. So to say it's not cute is denying something that's a possibility.

While my statement was pretty broad, I am not dumb and know it doesn't apply to everyone that changed their mind, BUT I do strongly believe that there are truly some that bandwagoned on like I said. 

 

Saying I'm flustered is a cheap way of belittling my argument, in the same way suggesting someone's opinions are just the product of bandwagon-thought is a cheap way of dismissing their opinions. It's all ad hominem nonsense. People should be free to share their opinions without being called sheep, or without being told the media thinks for them.

I'm not flustered, I'm just fighting back against the general consensus held among Lady Gaga fans that all criticism of ARTPOP is rooted in the records lack of commercial sucess.

[Runway 27,876]

They don't hate it cause its a flop. It's a flop because they hate it :

[Evan Peters 10,738]

because everyone thought she was gonna pull BTW's numbers, and when this didn't happen they **** in their diapers and started rampaging on about how they weren't gonna be stans anymore and made 30 threads each week restating what a thread from a week prior complained about

[XoXoJoanneGaga 629]

Part of it is because of people who stan success  

Dead at anyone still trying this deflection. The panning of this album and failures of the era definitely gave some hardcore fans a complex wherein they feel like they're defending some unfairly maligned gem from an unjustified hate bandwagon. In reality if anyone was only stanning her success they would have lost interest in her years ago.

There's no objective measure by which this album can be defended, so they have to fall back on this. It has no concept, no narrative, virtually no lyrical content or depth, cheap production, and covers virtually no new ground for her as an artist. It's just an average pop album with a few great songs, a few terrible ones, and a bunch of forgettable middle-of-the-road ones.

I've said it before, but the only reason anyone (and I'm guilty of this too) even gives this album so much thought and a--lysis is because it was hyped up for two years (by the queen of over-hyping), was branded with an impossible to live up to "concept" that was full of hot air, and then the era was full of drama, and now two years later we still have no new music.

If this album had come out of the blue without any hype, and was then followed up quickly by a new album, we wouldn't even be talking about it anymore. It doesn't deserve it, there's nothing there to talk about. Songs like Donatella and G.U.Y. don't merit this much discussion two years after their release, and they won't be remembered by anyone but the most loyal Gaga fans. I know it's hypocritical for me to write so much given what I said but I couldn't help it lol.