Melech 9,900 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 "Hundreds of thousands of people marched in Berlin on Saturday in protest against a planned free trade deal between Europe and the United States that they say is anti-democratic and will lower food safety, labor and environmental standards.Organizers - an alliance of environmental groups, charities and opposition parties - said 250,000 people were taking part in the rally against free trade deals with both the United States and Canada, far more than they had anticipated."This is the biggest protest that this country has seen for many, many years," Christoph Bautz, director of citizens' movement Campact told protesters in a speech.A police spokesman estimated 100,000 people were taking part in the demonstration which has been trouble free so far. There were 1,000 police officers on duty at the march.Opposition to the so-called Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) has risen over the past year in Germany, with critics fearing the pact will hand too much power to big multinationals at the expense of consumers and workers."What bothers me the most is that I don't want all our consumer laws to be softened," Oliver Zloty told Reuters TV. "And I don't want to have a dictatorship by any companies."Dieter Bartsch, deputy leader of the parliamentary group for the Left party, who was taking part in the rally said he was concerned about the lack of transparency surrounding the talks."We definitely need to know what is supposed to be being decided," he said.Marchers banged drums, blew whistles and held up posters reading "Yes we can - Stop TTIP."The level of resistance has taken Chancellor Angela Merkel's government by surprise and underscores the challenge it faces to turn the tide in favor of the deal which proponents say will create a market of 800 million and serve as a counterweight to China's economic clout.In a full-page letter published in several German newspapers on Saturday, Economy Minister Sigmar Gabriel warned against "scaremongering"."We have the chance to set new and goods standards for growing global trade. With ambitious, standards for the environment and consumers and with fair conditions for investment and workers. This must be our aim," Gabriel wrote.Businesses hope the trade deal will deliver over $100 billion of economic gains on both sides of the Atlantic."A fair and comprehensive free trade deal promotes growth and prosperity in Europe. We should actively participate in the rules for world trade of tomorrow," Ulrich Grillo, head of the BDI Federation of German industries, said in a statement."http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/10/us-trade-germany-ttip-protests-idUSKCN0S40L720151010 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewYorkCity 10,536 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 There should have been even more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco 3,040 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 250 000 is the biggest protest in years? mess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better Day 5,766 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 TTIP is the worst possible deal in history Together You And I! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted October 10, 2015 Author Share Posted October 10, 2015 250 000 is the biggest protest in years? mess well. Million against gay marriage is not cool ,am I right ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco 3,040 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 well. Million against gay marriage is not cool ,am I right ? there never was a million against gay marriage you tried tho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qualle1 1,385 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 I don't want TTIP or CETA to happen. Thank you. MAKE LOVE NOT WAR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 I want TTIP and CETA to happen, but without ISDS. It's important for US-EU relations to intensify because of Russia, and it will probably help the UK stay in the EU which is also important. And ofcourse it will create some jobs... but ISDS scares me because it basically forces a country to have economically liberal policies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimchi 98 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Ridiculous - I bet 95% of the people protesting have no idea what the deal is actually about and are totally misguided by biased groups and media attention. The German government totally failed in explaining the people that they can gain a lot from this deal and that most of the fears they have are either not true or blurred on purpose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimchi 98 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I want TTIP and CETA to happen, but without ISDS. It's important for US-EU relations to intensify because of Russia, and it will probably help the UK stay in the EU which is also important. And ofcourse it will create some jobs... but ISDS scares me because it basically forces a country to have economically liberal policies.That's what everybody believes but it's actually not like that. Everybody always talks about how then companies can force governments to drop certain regulations and legislations - in countries with ISDS in place that happened like only 1 or 2 times and in this cases the government was actually targeting a specific company with unfair regulations.The ISDS TTIP wants to establish would be guided by an independent and neutral institution - so not the US nor the EU could actually influence their decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiphEret 1,320 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Ridiculous - I bet 95% of the people protesting have no idea what the deal is actually about and are totally misguided by biased groups and media attention. The German government totally failed in explaining the people that they can gain a lot from this deal and that most of the fears they have are either not true or blurred on purpose. You know, people can have their own opinion and do their own research without following blindly what the German government "fails to explain" it's quite condescending to assume that if someone disagree with something they must be wrong. Sur le sable sur la neige, Sur les images dorées,Sur le front de mes amis, J’écris ton nom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 That's what everybody believes but it's actually not like that. Everybody always talks about how then companies can force governments to drop certain regulations and legislations - in countries with ISDS in place that happened like only 1 or 2 times and in this cases the government was actually targeting a specific company with unfair regulations.The ISDS TTIP wants to establish would be guided by an independent and neutral institution - so not the US nor the EU could actually influence their decisions.I don't know if it's neutral... because the US govt has won all their (~18) cases, while with developing countries it's a sifferent story... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better Day 5,766 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I want TTIP and CETA to happen, but without ISDS. It's important for US-EU relations to intensify because of Russia, and it will probably help the UK stay in the EU which is also important. And ofcourse it will create some jobs... but ISDS scares me because it basically forces a country to have economically liberal policies.http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-ttip-and-six-reasons-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html Together You And I! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimchi 98 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-ttip-and-six-reasons-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html"The Top 10 Myths about TTIP"http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2015/march/tradoc_153266.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better Day 5,766 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 "The Top 10 Myths about TTIP"http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2015/march/tradoc_153266.pdfI've never read so much bulls*it. TTIP is dangerous for democracy and safety of human beings. Together You And I! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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