Ashley Madison leak puts thousands of women and LGBT lives at risk

[Staryu 6,162]

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/heres-how-the-ashley-madison-leak-puts-thousands-of-women-and-lgbt-lives-at-risk/

Soon after the Ashley Madison details were made public Wednesday, tabloids fell all over each other to find juicy tidbits of hypocrisy and moral corruption — especially of their political enemies. Yesterday afternoon Gawker hit gold, revealing that Josh Duggar — a known pedophile and the already reigning king of rightwing hypocrites — had sought extramarital affairs on both Ashley Madison and OKCupid. In no time, the Schadenfreude-giddy blogs were basking in another Duggar scandal. But was it all worth it?

As it turns out, no. The Ashley Madison leaks, as many observers began noting yesterday afternoon, will have real world, devastating consequences on thousands of users worldwide. When the dust clears, it will be most vulnerable among us — LGBT and women in repressive countries — that will ultimately pay the price. And unlike Josh Duggar, their price will not be paid in snarky internet comments but rather loss of employment, family, and, in some cases, possibly their lives.

As one anonymous gay man in Saudi Arabia noted on reddit after the leak was exposed last month:

I May Get Stoned to Death for Gay Sex (Gay Man from Saudi Arabia Who Used Ashley Madison for Hookups)

I am from a country where homos-xuality carries the death penalty. I studied in America the last several years and used Ashley Madison during that time. (For those of you who haven’t been following the story, Ashley Madison has been hacked and its users’ names and addresses are on the verge of being exposed.) I was single, but used it because I am gay; gay s-x is punishable by death in my home country so I wanted to keep my hookups extremely discreet.

I only used AM to hook up with single guys. Most of you are Westerners in countries that are relatively liberal on LGBT issues. For those of you who are older–try to think back to a time 10 or 20 years again when homos-xuality was intensely stigmatized. Multiply that horrible feeling of stigma by a million, and add the threat of beheading/stoning. That’s why I used AM to have discreet encounters…

The idiots who claim I’m lying are projecting from personal experience, and forgetting that, for many gay people around the world, being outed is a life-threatening experience. The risks for us are greater than the risks for married Westerners cheating on their spouses. That’s why AM’s promise of discretion appeals to us. (Seriously, you think that there are no gay Muslims on there out of 37 million users?)

Even if authorities in these countries don’t investigate each case, two things are likely to happen: 1) women will disproportionately be punished as they typically are for these activities and 2) the use of this information for the purposes of blackmail will become, if it hasn’t already, its own cottage industry. With over thirty million users, the average person exposed in the hack probably won’t be outed by the media, but rather enterprising and resourceful blackmailers who know who to target. As Business Insidernoted:

This is especially concerning when you consider the nature of some of the members of Ashley Madison (…) one initial a--lysis of the hack found more than 15,000 US military and government email addresses in the dump.

As such, this doesn’t just affect the members themselves — it also affects anyone who works with them, or relies on them.”

Public shaming aside, let’s break down who we know might be at risk thus far legally, by sheer law of averages. LGBT, women, and, to a lesser extent, straight male adulterers in the following countries:

Saudi Arabia

The BBC reported that over 1,200 users have .sa email domains. Not only is adultery illegal in Saudi Arabia, it’s punishable by death. Though death sentences for adultery are exceedingly rare, the exposure of this crime can lead to lesser charges and social shaming. Homos-xuality and cross-dressing can also lead to imprisonment, fines, corporal punishment, capital punishment, and whipping/flogging.

Turkey 

1,450 accounts from Turkey have been found. While homos-xuality is not illegal in Turkey, it can get one kicked out or banned from military service. Adultery, while not illegal, does carry great moral shame that disproportionately affects women.

Qatar

53 accounts with a .qa domain have been exposed. Homos-xual relationships are illegal in Qatar, punishable by up to 5 years in prison. Adultery is punishable by 100 lashes and when the woman is Muslim and the man is not, the woman can be put to death. Again, these punishments are rare but they are a real threat.

Thus far this is the list we know. We will update when the BBC and others dissect the data further. In the interim consider that in over 75 countries homos-xuality is illegal, exposing one to prison time and in some cases, death.

Countries where homos-xuality is illegal.

[gagaisitalian 3,573]

So I get how it can affect gays in backwards countries, but how does this directly affect LGBT? I'm genuinely curious, because I hadn't heard of Ashley Madison until right now. Was it a popular site for the trans community, even though it's mainly used as a "cheat-on-your-spouse" type of deal?

Edit: nvm, the OP took "trans" out of the title.

[DeleteMyAccount 11,881]

Couldn't they try and leave the country if they're being targeted?  It's not ideal, but considering their lives are at risk...

[Barbados 1,004]

Couldn't they try and leave the country if they're being targeted?  It's not ideal, but considering their lives are at risk...

Easier said than done.....

 

ot: Also I thought only 5% of woman made up the user base of AM

[DeleteMyAccount 11,881]

Easier said than done.....

 

ot: Also I thought only 5% of woman made up the user base of AM

Well there's no other choice than sadly.  Other than hoping they don't get caught if this is taken seriously in their countries.

[RAMROD 117,053]

There are lots dating sites one can use, Ashley Madison mainly marketed towards married people that wanted to have an affair.

So question is why can't he use another websites that didn't obnoxiously brag themselves as the place to be to cheat and that their secret safe with them.

Also, it is always a risk once somebody decides to have an account of dating sites either way for whatever reasons. Somethings gotta give.

[Orly D 322]

Couldn't they try and leave the country if they're being targeted?  It's not ideal, but considering their lives are at risk...

I experience this first-hand. If only it was that easy to choose which country you'd like to be a citizen of. Most of us are trying so hard to get jobs in those countries just to be a PR (take into account that no employer in any right mind would employ a foreigner over a local citizen, unless you are damned good at what you do). Beyond that, you still have to produce proof that you are financially independent, place of residence, etc. Combine that with the negative stigma that immigrants have, I am really not exaggerating when I say that it's very difficult. 

I don't think political asylum/refugee status in another country covers s-xual orientation. It would be great if it did though. Sigh. 

[Orly D 322]

So I get how it can affect gays in backwards countries, but how does this directly affect LGBT? I'm genuinely curious, because I hadn't heard of Ashley Madison until right now. Was it a popular site for the trans community, even though it's mainly used as a "cheat-on-your-spouse" type of deal?

I've not heard of AM until I read this in the papers today. Apparently it's very big. 

[Staryu 6,162]

So I get how it can affect gays in backwards countries, but how does this directly affect LGBT? I'm genuinely curious, because I hadn't heard of Ashley Madison until right now. Was it a popular site for the trans community, even though it's mainly used as a "cheat-on-your-spouse" type of deal?

I don't think that this is affecting the trans community. They probably just used "LGBT" in a more general way without the "T" in mind.

Easier said than done.....

 

ot: Also I thought only 5% of woman made up the user base of AM

Yes, but the wives of some of these men could be severely punished (whipped, stoned to death). I'm really hoping that nobody will start a witch hunt...

[SKANK 14,288]

There are lots dating sites one can use, Ashley Madison mainly marketed towards married people that wanted to have an affair.

So question is why can't he use another websites that didn't obnoxiously brag themselves as the place to be to cheat and that their secret safe with them.

Also, it is always a risk once somebody decides to have an account of dating sites either way for whatever reasons. Somethings gotta give.

Ashley Madison promised a greater level of discreteness compared to other dating sites which is why it was ideal for closeted gay men.

 

[wiltedbliss 915]

So happy that dad's home country (Lebanon) is at least accepting of homos-xuals, looking at that map. I heard they're even fighting for gay marriage legalization. Makes me feel so happy  

And I'm hoping the safety of those people is reassured. It would be horrible to live there under that pressure :( 

[Whispering 18,865]

Damn, this is really serious. How scary for those people stuck in those countries! 

[gagaisitalian 3,573]

I don't think that this is affecting the trans community. They probably just used "LGBT" in a more general way without the "T" in mind.

Oh. They had "Trans Lives" in the title when I left my comment.