Didymus 34,379 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 The Prodigy did that a full year before Madonna.Completely different genre, though. That album was big beat, which is an EDM genre, hell yes, but nobody is crediting Madonna for inventing EDM. Ray of Light set the trend of artists outside that genre (pop artists mainly, duh) borrowing from dance music. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fame Romance 10,517 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 No it's bling not the music Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday 2,178 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I always believed that what Gaga meant with the "Bling" is sort of like a bonus from what she usually makes with music. She doesn't make music for the bling, but if the bling does come to her, it's kind of a "why not" situation and she might as well take it then make something out of it (her fashion and stage charisma are big examples). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Completely different genre, though. That album was big beat, which is an EDM genre, hell yes, but nobody is crediting Madonna for inventing EDM. Ray of Light set the trend of artists outside that genre (pop artists mainly, duh) borrowing from dance music.Kylie Minogue Impossible Princess...1997 "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronyoji 2,054 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Experimental doesn't always have to do with sound. These aren't catchy loves songs about school crushes. They comment on an aspect of society, to convey a specific emotion or mood, and they address a personal psychology. You are missing the point completely. I can tell you are missing the point by using terms like "indie pop" and posting artists like Twigs. Indie pop is an oxymoron. You can't be both. FKA Twigs is just a Cirque du Soleil soundtrack with a bunch of curse words thrown in. A better example would have been Goddess Bjork. this is the most ignorant thing i've ever read in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf 1,328 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 MTE!! Why not have the best of both worlds? get dat promo hannah montana but seriously Music is gags' priority, and money is just a bonus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny 12,736 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 ARTPOP, messing with our minds 2 years after ha release (still) I like dancin', and ponies.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Kylie Minogue Impossible Princess...1997 So I guess you're just actively searching for ways to discredit Madonna now Kylie would've been more logical than The Prodigy In any case, again you're missing the mark. Kylie wasn't even the first to introduce trip hop (which doesn't even qualify as EDM) to Europe. But anyway, Kylie did not introduce a new trend (the album wasn't even successful), ROL is not trip hop inspired (the influences are entirely different) and ROL did actually set a trend as any person who isn't out to criticize Madonna will recognize looking at the facts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Pressed little soul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 So I guess you're just actively searching for ways to discredit Madonna now Kylie would've been more logical than The Prodigy In any case, again you're missing the mark. Kylie wasn't even the first to introduce trip hop (which doesn't even qualify as EDM) to Europe. But anyway, Kylie did not introduce a new trend (the album wasn't even successful), ROL is not trip hop inspired (the influences are entirely different) and ROL did actually set a trend as any person who isn't out to criticize Madonna will recognize looking at the facts. No. I am just saying there is no need to credit her for everything, like her wiki page. I guess you haven't heard the Impossible Princess album it is both experimental and EDM and done before ROL. I am not bashing Madonna. I said she was a trend setter until Erotica. Everything after Erotica was just following trends. I happen to like ROL, BedTime Stories, COD, and Music. They are great albums, but not trend setting. An album doesn't have to be successful to introduce trends...ask Erotica which by no means was considered a successful album in 1992. Amazing trend setting album yet unsuccessful. Can we please end this conversation? We'll just agree to disagree. You can have your opinion and I'll have mine. "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 No. I am just saying there is no need to credit her for everything, like her wiki page. I guess you haven't heard the Impossible Princess album it is both experimental and EDM and done before ROL. I am not bashing Madonna. I said she was a trend setter until Erotica. Everything after Erotica was just following trends. I happen to like ROL, BedTime Stories, COD, and Music. They are great albums, but not trend setting. An album doesn't have to be successful to introduce trends...ask Erotica which by no means was considered a successful album in 1992. Amazing trend setting album yet unsuccessful. There was no trend of EDM in pop music in 1997. I get your "Kylie did it first" argument, but that doesn't mean Kylie set the trend. Madonna may have clearly been inspired by Impossible Princess, for sure, but that doesn't mean Ray of Light isn't the trendsetter for EDM sounds included in pop music. Ray of Light's humongous success set the trend, no matter if Madonna was the first to come up with the idea. You claim that Madonna set trends until Erotica but she wasn't doing anything particularly extraordinary then either, she always borrowed. Erotica as a music album never set a trend either, so not sure where you're getting that from. It seems to me that you equate trend setting with the albums you like or something. In any case, the subject's not important enough to discuss endlessly, but it's just a simple truth that Ray of Light set a trend, whether the idea was new or not. That's not exactly an amazing, Madonna praising moment, but that's why I'm asking you to believe I'm saying it, not as a fan but as an observer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 There was no trend of EDM in pop music in 1997. I get your "Kylie did it first" argument, but that doesn't mean Kylie set the trend. Madonna may have clearly been inspired by Impossible Princess, for sure, but that doesn't mean Ray of Light isn't the trendsetter for EDM sounds included in pop music. Ray of Light's humongous success set the trend, no matter if Madonna was the first to come up with the idea. You claim that Madonna set trends until Erotica but she wasn't doing anything particularly extraordinary then either, she always borrowed. Erotica as a music album never set a trend either, so not sure where you're getting that from. It seems to me that you equate trend setting with the albums you like or something. In any case, the subject's not important enough to discuss endlessly, but it's just a simple truth that Ray of Light set a trend, whether the idea was new or not. That's not exactly an amazing, Madonna praising moment, but that's why I'm asking you to believe I'm saying it, not as a fan but as an observer Like I said before, I want to end this conversation. You have your opinion and I have mine. Great Erotica was't trend setting ROL was...ok W/E. "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Like I said before, I want to end this conversation. You have your opinion and I have mine. I don't recall you saying that, first of all, second of all, that's quite a weak response to posts that aren't even fuelled with animosity. If you're not interested in defending your opinion against valid counter-arguments then don't post it to discredit someone else's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I don't recall you saying that, first of all, second of all, that's quite a weak response to posts that aren't even fuelled with animosity. If you're not interested in defending your opinion against valid counter-arguments then don't post it to discredit someone else's. yadda yadda... its not the right thread. I just want to end this conversation. Let it go dude. Let it go. "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 1,031 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 To those of you that are saying it's a cop out for her floppage....she wrote the damn line before ARTPOP was released Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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