AmenTheNight 1,084 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Well, if she doesnt make it a success, that would mean her pop career didnt meet the tops since 2011 ? From 2011 to ... 2018/2019 (from the new album underperforming/flopping to the era after) ? That'd be a pretty long time away from the top. So let me say yes, it's now or never to have a commercial success. Cause the achievements that are Applause #4 position, ARTPOP and C2C #1s are definitely not enough to roll on for 7 years. They were not even enough to save face for the last years.So um, yeah, in terms of pop success, she could use a smash hit or two and a 3 millions seller for the album. (Still being realistic for the sales cause the industry is sad to look at right now) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giskardsb 12,565 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 They were not even enough to save face for the last years. Gaga has more critical acclaim over the C2C era than ever before. Who hasn't "saved face"? stans who need ammo for stan wars don't count. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmenTheNight 1,084 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Gaga has more critical acclaim over the C2C era than ever before. Who hasn't "saved face"? stans who need ammo for stan wars don't count.I'm not even talking about acclaim, cause acclaim doesnt provide sales, and in a pop industry, acclaim is far from being the main factor for sales. If it was, C2C would have sold more than pop albums.My main point is that if she doesnt find a real commercial success with the next album, she'll be stuck and seen as a late 2000-early 2010s pop act - yet WAS very good, acclaimed, etc etc.She can get both from the next one, she's one of the only to know how to meet pop commercial success with acclaim. Or at least, she knew. Let's see if she still does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronyoji 2,054 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I'm not even talking about acclaim, cause acclaim doesnt provide sales, and in a pop industry, acclaim is far from being the main factor for sales. If it was, C2C would have sold more than pop albums.My main point is that if she doesnt find a real commercial success with the next album, she'll be stuck and seen as a late 2000-early 2010s pop act - yet WAS very good, acclaimed, etc etc.She can get both from the next one, she's one of the only to know how to meet pop commercial success with acclaim. Or at least, she knew. Let's see if she still does.but sales and success almost to never reflects quality of something anymore. 1989 by taylor swift is honestly musical garbage, and yet is the biggest success the past like year. when u say "meet pop success with acclaim" what that really means is "sacrifice quality just enough so that people like it, but still maintain this illusion of quality that the critics will fall for" which basically sums up the fame/the fame monster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmenTheNight 1,084 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 but sales and success almost to never reflects quality of something anymore. 1989 by taylor swift is honestly musical garbage, and yet is the biggest success the past like year. when u say "meet pop success with acclaim" what that really means is "sacrifice quality just enough so that people like it, but still maintain this illusion of quality that the critics will fall for" which basically sums up the fame/the fame monster. Not at all. TF/TFM were successful, had a cultural and musical impact, and were acclaimed just enough for her to find an audience, a fanbase, sell records, and get tons of awards. And I fail to see where she sacrificied the quality in these albums.As for BTW, she once again met commercial sucess, impact, acclaim, and the quality was also on point imo. And she was still among the main popstars outta here, and one of (if not) the best, and was still seen as the one delivering the best quality work as a popstar.Now is the time for her to go back to this "popstar top quality" route. She knows how to make quality and how to make it mainstream, and I strongly disagree with your "maintaining illusion of quality" thing. She mastered the rare art of making things deep inside a POP record, and that's why I love her as a popstar, that's something that almost never happens in pop. Something TF/M, BTW had, and ARTPOP had a little.Now, if you want her to go all "acclaim" and "success is an option", well then ok, that's your choice, I respect it. Personnally, I prefer her as the deep popstar she is/used to be, and I want her commercial legacy to live on with the quality she knows how to serve. I'm not saying "turn into a dark Katy Perry gags!§§!" at all.If she's looking for acclaim and acclaim only, she can still give up on her popstar career, define her legacy as a late 2000s pop act, and only sing jazz or rock from now on. And here, that'd be the waste one of the best popstars in history. Ok, too bad ...I know she can still do it, and it's time or never, 'cause her image is slowly getting stuck in the past, and that's not something to wish her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbados 1,004 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 i honestly don't care if she is as successful as she was in 2009-10 there are plenty of artists that are amazing that arent.Azealia, Marina, Lana, youtube.com/watch?v=BR5ZKUKVSEI delete the <wbr> bit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLAYing 3,114 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 GAGA was, is and will forever be known as an Pop culture Icon .. a Legend .. she has already solidified her spot in the Industry and will definitely shine further with LG5 ... She's playing her cards right .. All we should do is believe in her artistry as fans Monsters Instagram : saurabhatia_ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimus 298 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Yes. If LG5 flops then Gaga will be over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiona Apple 13,006 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 i honestly don't care if she is as successful as she was in 2009-10 there are plenty of artists that are amazing that arent.Azealia, Marina, Lana, Lana is successful though.She is not like Gaga,Katy etc. But she has sold over 10m albums worldwide I think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitch 204 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Yep LADY GAGA/madonna/katy perry/little mix/ariana grande/selena gomez/britney spears/taylor swift Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monketsharona 80,311 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 To me it's going to be a make it or break it... But I'm very positive about what Gaga is preparing. She's working on it for quite a long time now (at least since artRave's European leg). And she seems to take her time and keep things secret. She's working with RedOne again (definitely her best chemistry with another producer). She has a new manager and a brand new team which proved themself to be efficient with a jazz album. She has a better image for the GP (thanks to, her Oscar performance, TonyGa success, her coming wedding, her recent vocal performances...). She'll have AHS exposure. To me she's going to make everything she can to return strong with fresh things. She has everything in her hands to be sucessful next era Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBEY 57,109 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 ewww god no. i want her music to E-V-O-L-V-E. none of this pandering to teenagers who dont know **** about good music and art nonsense. gaga's 29, she shouldn't be making the same kind of music as her basic contemporaries, she needs to think about what kinda of music will start her legacy. billy strayhorn wrote lush life when he was 19, stevie nicks was around 27 when she was singing landslide and dreams. if gaga's gonna write songs half as legendary as those she needs to stop this sugary pop mind dribble, and this gearing music towards the lowest common denominator tactic thats always brought her music down....Gaga's The Fame and TFM music attracted teenagers.And these records as usually the fans' favorites.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mic 1,415 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Yes, last time GP really enjoyed her was back in early 2011, ever after Judas release she is kinda non existent in most people's minds lets face it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic 11,922 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Everyone said ARTPOP was the make or break era and we know how it turned out but she was able to recover. She'll always bounce back as long as she has those vocals. The hardest thing in this world is to live in it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gianni Versace 2,987 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Yes. And she's already over unless she becomes cool again.She needs a mental health scare and some relationship drama.Unfortunately she's a stable housewife now. I get bored with this.I hope she takes a nice long blackout before she tries anything.lmfao Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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