Second Referendum Inevitable - Salmond

[Better Day 5,766]

A second referendum on Scottish independence is inevitable, according to former first minister Alex Salmond.
Speaking on the BBC's Andrew Marr programme, he said the question was over the timing which was "in the hands of Nicola Sturgeon".
The SNP MP argued there were three things driving the issue forward.
He said these were a failure to deliver on the so-called "vow", the possible outcome of the EU referendum and "divergent views" over austerity cuts.
The SNP said the timing of any future referendum was "a matter for the people of Scotland".
Scottish voters rejected independence by 55% to 45% in last September's referendum.
After the SNP won 56 of the 59 seats in Scotland in May's general election, party leader and Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon stressed there was "'no second Scottish independence referendum on the immediate horizon".

Second independence referendum 'inevitable' says Salmond
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-33668002

[Economy 52,861]

well, i cant comment much on this subject because i dont know too much about UK and Scottish politics

 

I can say here in Canada weve had at least 2 referendums for Quebec to seperate and the second time 49% of people voted in favor of it so it was an extremely close call

 

However the younger generation of Quebec seems less interested in seperation so, over time the amount of people in Quebec wanting to seperate may decline.

[Better Day 5,766]

well, i cant comment much on this subject because i dont know too much about UK and Scottish politics

 

IO can say here in Canada weve had at least 2 referendums for Quebec to seperate and the second time 49% of people voted in favor of it so it was an extremely close call

 

However the younger generation of Quebec seems less interested in seperation so, over time the amount of people in Quebec wanting to seperate may decline.

it is ironic. It was mainly the younger generation that voted Yes. It is still a big debate. The people are seeing through the unionist and their crap.

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it is ironic. It was mainly the younger generation that voted Yes. It is still a big debate. The people are seeing through the unionist and their crap.

here its the opposite, the younger generation is less in favor of it

 

Quebec was always very protective of their french culture and found the rest of Canada a threat to it... In fact they dont even use the global "STOP" signs that even in France they use... they have their own written in French saying "Arret"

 

Also all of Canada to please them must have every single product sold in the entire Country written in English AND French even tho hardly anyone speaks it, its so annoying... But then in Quebec there was a law where all english print had to be 5 times smaller than the french print (talk about special treatment). I dunno if that law still exists

 

However the younger generation has become more Americanized with the media and internet etc and they dont seem to really care about staying hardcore french. In fact last year during Quebecs elections, when 1 party brought up separation again, their poll ratings plummeted suggesting those supporting separation has dropped a lot over past 20 years... ThankGod

[Better Day 5,766]

here its the opposite, the younger generation is less in favor of it

 

Quebec was always very protective of their french culture and found the rest of Canada a threat to it... In fact they dont even use the global "STOP" signs that even in France they use... they have their own written in French saying "Arret"

 

Also all of Canada to please them must have every single product sold in the entire Country written in English AND French even tho hardly anyone speaks it, its so annoying... But then in Quebec there was a law where all english print had to be 5 times smaller than the french print (talk about special treatment). I dunno if that law still exists

 

However the younger generation has become more Americanized with the media and internet etc and they dont seem to really care about staying hardcore french. In fact last year during Quebecs elections, when 1 party brought up separation again, their poll ratings plummeted suggesting those supporting separation has dropped a lot over past 20 years... ThankGod

i don't know much about my Quebec situation. If the majority wants to stay. Like ahuge majoit let it be. If it a small majority like here in Scotland they need to be some compromise. However, we were promised everything but foreign affairs, army. However, the Scotland Bill was massively watered down compared to what was promised. In retalition half of the country voted for the Scottish Nationalist Party, due to our votng system, 56 out of 59 Scottish seats in House of Commons were taking by the SNP. I think people actually want another referendum but in the next decade. I think a poll that was taken, I posted it a while back, 66% of people want another referendum within the next decade. I think people are seeing through the lie of Labour and the Tories. Sorry for the long post. 

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it is ironic. It was mainly the younger generation that voted Yes. It is still a big debate. The people are seeing through the unionist and their crap.

The young Quebecois generation of the 1970's and 80's was majority for separation, but after several decades of controversy over it, the next generation moved on. Also Quebec being a Canadian province means it has "devolution max" For example, they probably have more say over their own immigration policy than the UK does within the EU.   

[Better Day 5,766]

The young Quebecois generation of the 1970's and 80's was majority for separation, but after several decades of controversy over it, the next generation moved on. Also Quebec being a Canadian province means it has "devolution max" For example, they probably have more say over their own immigration policy than the UK does within the EU.   

We will not get Devo Max. I said it from the start. Quebec, I am assuming, gets treated fairly by the Canadian government. Scotland doesn't. Far as long as we are getting treated the way we are the biggest the voice will be for indepedence. 

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The young Quebecois generation of the 1970's and 80's was majority for separation, but after several decades of controversy over it, the next generation moved on. Also Quebec being a Canadian province means it has "devolution max" For example, they probably have more say over their own immigration policy than the UK does within the EU.   

they already have special powers

 

they have more power over their education than most Canadian Provinces, they have their own unemployment insurance system and if im not mistaken i think even their retirement fund is seperate (im mnot 100% sure about that one)

 

They may be part of Canada but they operate very seperately

 

Kind of reminds me of Hong Kong actually. Technically part of China but they have a lot of autonomy the rest of China does not

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i don't know much about my Quebec situation. If the majority wants to stay. Like ahuge majoit let it be. If it a small majority like here in Scotland they need to be some compromise. However, we were promised everything but foreign affairs, army. However, the Scotland Bill was massively watered down compared to what was promised. In retalition half of the country voted for the Scottish Nationalist Party, due to our votng system, 56 out of 59 Scottish seats in House of Commons were taking by the SNP. I think people actually want another referendum but in the next decade. I think a poll that was taken, I posted it a while back, 66% of people want another referendum within the next decade. I think people are seeing through the lie of Labour and the Tories. Sorry for the long post. 

interesting

 

is it wise to wanna seperate from an entire Nation over the Torries tho? Parties in power come and go... Seperating from a Nation is permanent tho

 

My background Country (Portugal) at one point was in same territory as Spain... Been seperate for many hundreds of years... economically was always inferior to Spain tho

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they already have special powers

 

they have more power over their education than most Canadian Provinces, they have their own unemployment insurance system and if im not mistaken i think even their retirement fund is seperate (im mnot 100% sure about that one)

 

They may be part of Canada but they operate very seperately

 

Kind of reminds me of Hong Kong actually. Technically part of China but they have a lot of autonomy the rest of China does not

foreve wishing for Scotland to have thag amount of say. 

[Better Day 5,766]

interesting

 

is it wise to wanna seperate from an entire Nation over the Torries tho? Parties in power come and go... Seperating from a Nation is permanent tho

 

My background Country (Portugal) at one point was in same territory as Spain... Been seperate for many hundreds of years... economically was always inferior to Spain tho

it isn't mainly over the Tories it is over the teatment of us. Like we got a government we did't vote for. Even if Labour got in at the elcin they are no different than the Tories. 

I just think Scotland is best away from the union. It isn't working for Scotland. 

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it isn't mainly over the Tories it is over the teatment of us. Like we got a government we did't vote for. Even if Labour got in at the elcin they are no different than the Tories. 

I just think Scotland is best away from the union. It isn't working for Scotland. 

yeah but doesnt that happen in like every Country?

 

Here in Canada some Provinces vote for the NDP (Socialists), some vote for Liberals (Centre Wing), some vote for Conservatives (Right-Winged)... most Provinces will not get the party they voted for because they must compile the seats list from votes and see who ends up in power

 

Same in the US. They only have 2 dominant parties but they are quite different and theres the States that always tend to be pro Republican and the ones that always tend to be pro Democrat... Many States in America will also not get the Government they voted for

 

If every territory or sub-sovereign Government that has different views from General Nation tried to seperate, wed be left with nothing but a bounch of really tiny Countries everywhere like Luxembourg or Lithuania...

 

Not sure that would be very efficient

[Better Day 5,766]

yeah but doesnt that happen in like every Country?

 

Here in Canada some Provinces vote for the NDP (Socialists), some vote for Liberals (Centre Wing), some vote for Conservatives (Right-Winged)... most Provinces will not get the party they voted for because they must compile the seats list from votes and see who ends up in power

 

Same in the US. They only have 2 dominant parties but they are quite different and theres the States that always tend to be pro Republican and the ones that always tend to be pro Democrat... Many States in America will also not get the Government they voted for

 

If every territory or sub-sovereign Government that has different views from General Nation tried to seperate, wed be left with nothing but a bounch of really tiny Countries everywhere like Luxembourg or Lithuania...

 

Not sure that would be very efficient

it is a whole country, mainly voting against, the current. Engand dictates the government. We have no say so what ever. 

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it is a whole country, mainly voting against, the current. Engand dictates the government. We have no say so what ever. 

well england is a lot bigger right?

 

i dont see how thats any different from a small State or Province having less inflence on vote results and seats than a bigger state or Province... Ultimately its the same idea

 

but i can see how it might be frustrating tho... I like my Federal Government but I hate my Provincial Government runed by incompetents...

 

so i know what its like to hav a government u dont like :/

[Luc 4,776]

There's benefits of a Scottish referendum... the people will have more to say in Scotland, which means social policies. I think it's good the way it is and the people who want ro split from the UK mostly do it with emotional arguments and nationalist arguments instead of trying to look at the pros and cons of it. In the end I want a federal Europe, and in that case I also wouldn't support it if say England wanted to go away because the federal Europe would be too socialist for the English.