Israel intercepts Swedish Gaza flotilla

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Left and right parties in Europe have one thing in common : Their anti-Semitism 

Nope, many right wingers are great supporters of Israel and Zionism. I wonder why?

And surely there is a reason for condemnation of this act, every sane person would do it?  

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Spain: Left wing parties condemn Israeli flotilla action

Spanish Member of the European Parliament Ana Miranda, who was on board Marianne but now back in Spain, spoke in the Spanish parliament earlier today, showing the bruise she received during the attack on the Mariane

 

Left-wing political parties in Spain have criticised Israel for disrupting the Third Freedom Flotilla to Gaza and capturing one of the vessels in international waters.

 

In a written statement, the Galician Nationalist Bloc described Israeli action as "piracy".

 

The bloc's spokesman Francisco Jorquera and Rosana Peres, a parliament member, also criticised the Spanish government's reaction over the incident, which saw Israeli forces taking by force the civilian vessel, Marianne, to the Israeli port of Ashdod.

 

Spanish Member of the European Parliament Ana Miranda, who was on board Marianne but now back in Spain, also spoke in the Spanish parliament earlier today.

 

The spokesman called on Spain's Foreign Ministry to take a tough stance over the incident and face the Gaza issue head on.

 

Podemos's spokesman Rfael Mayoral also urged the international community to raise its voice against Israel.

 

Mayoral emphasized that Israel should end its "discrimination" and "blockade" on Gaza underling that Israel violated human rights.

 

According to the official Freedom Flotilla Twitter account (@GazaFFlotilla), Israel has imprisoned the Marianne crew. "Most of Marianne crew now in Givon prison, Israel," it tweeted Tuesday.

 

"Activists of the Marianne, excluding [Arab Israeli politician] MK Ghattas & [former Tunisian president] Dr. Marzouki, who were already released, now at Givon prison in Israel," another tweet from an affiliated Twitter account (@ShiptoGazaSE) said.

 

Israel has maintained a tight blockade of the Gaza Strip since 2007, when Palestinian group Hamas took over control of the territory.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/europe/19561-spain-left-wing-parties-condemn-israeli-flotilla-action

 

Quoting this, cause no one bothers to read through bunch of off topic posts.

[Melech 9,900]

Europe in general...
They started blaming the Greek debt on Jewish people  

Sound familiar? It's exactly what adolf ****ler said that lead to the Holocaust.  

Just read it it in an article

 

"The one man that approached me said that the situation was the result of "Zionists." My phone was out of battery by the time I got to the ATM, so I wasn't able to record the conversation (though I'm not sure he would have liked that much anyway).

He blamed "Rothschilds" for the crisis, adding "we Greeks are Hellenic, the people of light. Now we only have a little light, not like in ancient times. They are trying to put us out."

"It's not the fault of German people, it's not the fault of European people. You have to get to the source... they want to crush Greece."

Read more:  http://uk.businessinsider.com/greek-atm-bank-run-and-queues-person-blamed-a-rothschild-led-zionist-conspiracy-for-greeces-crisis-2015-6?r=US#ixzz3edMUA5Vf

 

Nope, many right wingers are great supporters of Israel and Zionism. I wonder why?

And surely there is a reason for condemnation of this act, every sane person would do it?  

In my country right and leftist unite against jews   They even wanted to count Jews in an area where a lot Jews live. (My family lives there and used to live there to) 

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Nope, many right wingers are great supporters of Israel and Zionism. I wonder why?

And surely there is a reason for condemnation of this act, every sane person would do it?  

Stop trying to hard to make Zionism out to be some racist-antihuman movement.

What is REAL Zionism?

Let's see:

"Zionism is a movement founded by Theodor Herzl in 1896 whose goal is the return of Jews to Eretz Yisrael, or Zion, the Jewish synonym for Jerusalem and the Land of Israel.

The name of "Zionism" comes from the hill Zion, the hill on which the Temple of Jerusalem was situated.

Supporters of this movement are called Zionists."

 

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Just read it it in an article

In my country right and leftist unite against jews   They even wanted to count Jews in an area where a lot Jews live. (My family lives there and used to live there to) 

Pathetic people. It's always our fault huh?  

Tell your family and all your friends to leave Europe, they deserve nothing and it is dangerous for our people to be there now.

[lego 44,165]

Just read it it in an article

 

"The one man that approached me said that the situation was the result of "Zionists." My phone was out of battery by the time I got to the ATM, so I wasn't able to record the conversation (though I'm not sure he would have liked that much anyway).

He blamed "Rothschilds" for the crisis, adding "we Greeks are Hellenic, the people of light. Now we only have a little light, not like in ancient times. They are trying to put us out."

"It's not the fault of German people, it's not the fault of European people. You have to get to the source... they want to crush Greece."

Read more:  http://uk.businessinsider.com/greek-atm-bank-run-and-queues-person-blamed-a-rothschild-led-zionist-conspiracy-for-greeces-crisis-2015-6?r=US#ixzz3edMUA5Vf

 

In my country right and leftist unite against jews   They even wanted to count Jews in an area where a lot Jews live. (My family lives there and used to live there to) 

Your government is one of the greatest supporters of Israel, they even go that far to ban Jewish speakers who criticize Israeli government and brand them as antisemitic.

 

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Your government is one of the greatest supporters of Israel, they even go that far to ban Jewish speakers who criticize Israeli government and brand them as antisemitic.

 

That's just penance for WWII.   Germany trying everything to make up for something that will never be forgotten.

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I am a bit foggy on the Palestinians land claims,,,,

if they claim ancient texts as proof they existed , those same texts also prove they didn't 'own' anything.    

Seems like selective facts are being presented and not the entire picture.

The displaced people of the region in 1947 need to be compensated IMO, But they were there because their predecessors drove the Israelites out, militarily.

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I am a bit foggy on the Palestinians land claims,,,,

if they claim ancient texts as proof they existed , those same texts also prove they didn't 'own' anything.    

Seems like selective facts are being presented and not the entire picture.

The displaced people of the region in 1947 need to be compensated IMO, But they were there because their predecessors drove the Israelites out, militarily.

Of course, if all the facts were represented and no lies were fabricated, the world wouldn't be so ignorant and think some "Palestine" ever existed and know that these people are lying to steal the Jewish homeland again.... Most European countries just join on the "free palestine!1!!!" bullcrap because they're antisemitic and know absolutely nothing about the situation, for example Sweden, Spain, Ireland, Netherlands, England, and Denmark. 

Yes, they should be compensated by being allowed to go back to where their ancestors came from and leave us and the Jewish homeland alone.

[Melech 9,900]

Your government is one of the greatest supporters of Israel, they even go that far to ban Jewish speakers who criticize Israeli government and brand them as antisemitic.

 

sooo? There are still huge leftist and right movements who are clearly anti-Semitic. (Leftist politicans don't standing up when a speech about the Holocaust were held in the parliament etc)

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Of course, if all the facts were represented and no lies were fabricated, the world wouldn't be so ignorant and think some "Palestine" ever existed and know that these people are lying to steal the Jewish homeland again.... Most European countries just join on the "free palestine!1!!!" bullcrap because they're antisemitic and know absolutely nothing about the situation, for example Sweden, Spain, Ireland, Netherlands, England, and Denmark. 

Yes, they should be compensated by being allowed to go back to where their ancestors came from and leave us and the Jewish homeland alone.

Ireland's support of Palestine is nothing to do with anti-semitism  We've been through a similar situation over land claims and one side having very little civil rights 

There are even reports that show Ireland to be more pro-Israel and less anti-semitic than the European average - the country just happens to also be a major supporter of the human rights of the Palestinian people...

Sweden, the Netherlands and Denmark (and Ireland too I guess minus abortion) are all shining examples of nations with very admirable human rights records, so it's not likely their support of Palestine roots in anti-semitism either. 

[Didymus 34,380]

Yes, they should be compensated by being allowed to go back to where their ancestors came from and leave us and the Jewish homeland alone.

lmao

I guess Americans need to move back to Europe too to give back the continent to the natives. That argument is a joke. When the "Jewish community" (which is more scattered than not) is not at all unified when it comes to Israel and whether or not it should even be a state right now, how can you invoke the "Jews deserve to go back to their homeland" fallacy? All this nonsense about cultural heritage isn't even a major factor on the table when international discussion of the conflict takes place, so it surely won't lead to a solution either. Any possible European antisemitism has zero impact on decision-making surrounding the conflict by U.S. and European instances who have tolerated Israel breaking international laws for decades and thrown empty threats around, too scared to punish transgressions for a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with religious or cultural factors so "the Jews" should probably be thrilled with the situation they're in, not whining about not getting recognition. They are, unlike your "invaders".

So wrap this thing up please, it's getting boring.

[Melech 9,900]

lmao

I guess Americans need to move back to Europe too to give back the continent to the natives. That argument is a joke. When the "Jewish community" (which is more scattered than not) is not at all unified when it comes to Israel and whether or not it should even be a state right now, how can you invoke the "Jews deserve to go back to their homeland" fallacy? All this nonsense about cultural heritage isn't even a major factor on the table when international discussion of the conflict takes place, so it surely won't lead to a solution either. Any possible European antisemitism has zero impact on decision-making surrounding the conflict by U.S. and European instances who have tolerated Israel breaking international laws for decades and thrown empty threats around, too scared to punish transgressions for a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with religious or cultural factors so "the Jews" should probably be thrilled with the situation they're in, not whining about not getting recognition. They are, unlike your "invaders".

So wrap this thing up please, it's getting boring.

Not sure if I understood it right, so I ask you. Do you mean that the Anti-semtisim is justified and okay? 

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lmao

I guess Americans need to move back to Europe too to give back the continent to the natives. That argument is a joke. When the "Jewish community" (which is more scattered than not) is not at all unified when it comes to Israel and whether or not it should even be a state right now, how can you invoke the "Jews deserve to go back to their homeland" fallacy? All this nonsense about cultural heritage isn't even a major factor on the table when international discussion of the conflict takes place, so it surely won't lead to a solution either. Any possible European antisemitism has zero impact on decision-making surrounding the conflict by U.S. and European instances who have tolerated Israel breaking international laws for decades and thrown empty threats around, too scared to punish transgressions for a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with religious or cultural factors so "the Jews" should probably be thrilled with the situation they're in, not whining about not getting recognition. They are, unlike your "invaders".

So wrap this thing up please, it's getting boring.

Where did I mention Europeans and America?  Typical reply. Boring and irrelevant. None of my people are invaders. 

Jewish presence in Israel? Let's see how far back. :)

Dated 3,000-2,000 BC synagogues:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_synagogues_in_the_world#Israel

2000 year old synagogue in Galilee (near Phoenicia border):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Ruins_of_the_Ancient_Synagogue_at_Bar'am.jpg/600px-Ruins_of_the_Ancient_Synagogue_at_Bar'am.jpg

Oldest written artifact (1000 BC) found at Jerusalem:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/169787#.VZPTFxOqqko

3,000 year old shrines found in Israel:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/3000-year-old-artifacts-fuel-biblical-archaeology-debate/

3,000 year old artifact found in Judaean city

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/3-000-year-old-artifacts-reveal-history-behind-biblical-david-761720

The list goes on and on. I have time.

Ireland's support of Palestine is nothing to do with anti-semitism  We've been through a similar situation over land claims and one side having very little civil rights 

There are even reports that show Ireland to be more pro-Israel and less anti-semitic than the European average - the country just happens to also be a major supporter of the human rights of the Palestinian people...

Sweden, the Netherlands and Denmark (and Ireland too I guess minus abortion) are all shining examples of nations with very admirable human rights records, so it's not likely their support of Palestine roots in anti-semitism either. 

Ireland is one of the better countries, yes. Human rights records have nothing to do with that I said, just take a look at these pages and you'll get what I mean:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Sweden

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Europe#Netherlands

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Spain

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/05/antisemitic-attacks-uk-community-security-trust-britain-jewish-population

 

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Not sure if I understood it right, so I ask you. Do you mean that the Anti-semtisim is justified and okay? 

Can you stop reading that into everything anyone says omg. That is not at all what I mean and there's not even anything in the text that implies it is.