Israel intercepts Swedish Gaza flotilla

[MonsterMum 2,532]

ew @ you two laughing at this while asking for empathy for Palestinian people. 

Really, sassy tone and emote, I considered you more mature but please feel free to quote my "laughs". 

[lego 44,165]

ew @ you two laughing at this while asking for empathy for Palestinian people. 

You were laughing at palestinian kids dying from cold.

I'm laughing at you showing children toys, (yes wooden slingshots like that are under children toys section in stores), tools and kitchen knives as weapons which supposedly justified executing 9 activists in cold blood.

No rockets, no explosives, no guns. 

All those "weapons" smuggled into Gaza would be so dangerous vs. Israeli bombs, F16s and guns, paid by US tax money.

 

 

[Dolev 867]

Sling shots, kitchen knifes and tools that you would find on a boat. Yes that's indeed frightening for those armored Israelis entering that ship.

Syria has different issues at hand don't they. Besides, there have been millions issued by governments in support of Syria. That support will not be given to the Gaza. In fact the Dutch government have a few thousand Euro as aid. Comparing that to other issues throughout the world it's peanuts. 

*GRAPHIC* I'm sure it was. Such a peaceful flotilla.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cb/Flotilla_injured_israeli_soldier.jpg

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01651/ihh2_1651707c.jpg

https://scottthong.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/turkphotoofyear.jpg?w=450

 

Please dear, Palestinians gets the largest world-financial aid for decades now. Billions are being given each year by the US, EU & the gulf states to the building of a Palestinian state. How come things still looks like that? one answer - corruption. Palestinians are the only people on earth the have a whole UN refugees agency dedicated to them. In 2013 UNRWA recived 294,023,401 millions of dollars from USA, 216,386,867 millions of dollars from EU, 151,566,702 millions of dollars from Saudi Arabia, 93,737,454 millions of dollars, from from Sweden 54,439,768 millions of dollars, from Germany 53,061,050 millions of dollars, from Norway 34,595,162 millions of dollars, from Japan 28,836,915 millions of dollars, from Switzerland 23,267,282 millions of dollars, from Australia 22,445,260 millions of dollars, from Netherlands 20,049,472 from Denmark 18,638,884, millions of dollars from Kuwait 17,000,000, millions of dollars, from France 12,852,039 millions of dollars from Italy 10,714,805 millions of dollars, from Belgium 10,271,039 millions of dollars and smaller amounts from other countries as well, totaling 1,091,649,846 billions of dollars in the year of 2013 alone.

Really, sassy tone and emote, I considered you more mature but please feel free to quote my "laughs". 

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[Dolev 867]

You were laughing at palestinian kids dying from cold.

I'm laughing at you showing children toys, (yes wooden slingshots like that are under children toys section in stores), tools and kitchen knives as weapons which supposedly justified executing 9 activists in cold blood.

No rockets, no explosives, no guns. 

All those "weapons" smuggled into Gaza would be so dangerous vs. Israeli bombs, F16s and guns, paid by US tax money.

You're putting word in my mouth again. I'm getting tired 

The issue is that those were not goods nor medical equipment. anything else?

[Woolfsmck 2,763]

poor Palestinian babies. It must be really hard to get frozen in a Mediterranean climate... really now? 

Only in the part where Palestinians live because the meany Israels made them.

[Pandemiya 61]

Israel was the starter of the hate root, specially after the holocaust the Arab/Muslim  countries (specially Turkish, Egypt & Palestine/Syria) opened its doors to the Jew immigrants, and the payback was invading and killing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians which had done nothing to affect the Jews in the first place.

That's not reality, sir. Arabs are the creators of the hatred to the Israelites because when Jewish tribes living in Arabia during the 600s wouldn't convert to islam, muhammed had them all massacred...  That's why it's written in the qur'an negative things because we refused to convert and then got massacred by the thousands. Palestine is a fake country, with no history, and no credibility. It's just not real. The name comes from the Philistines, but I'm sure you and every other Arab know that already. They just want to steal our land, as before.

[Woolfsmck 2,763]

Israel invents baby freeze gun causing Palestinian babies to become ice cubes in July :   news at eleven

[lego 44,165]

Only in the part where Palestinians live because the meany Israels made them.

 

Israel invents baby freeze gun causing Palestinian babies to become ice cubes in July :   news at eleven

I bet you think that you are so funny and witty, but your mockery comment is pretty sick and disturbing considering I spoke of the real events and the WINTER, not July.

It's not a tropical climate and believe it or not, the snow in Jerusalem this year was not artificial. I bet you're one of those people who think it never gets cold and you never need a jacket in the Middle East.

Gaza had cold rains and floods, while hundreds of thousands are left homeless living on the rubbles of what use to be their building, in tents and shipping containers, with only few hours a day of electricity and sometimes no electricity at all. That is the reality of Gaza. 

But what else to expect from some pro-zionists on this site, right? Racism and apartheid is what you supported from beginning.

Here's more material for your failed standup comedy when you get fired from drunken truck driving.

 

 

 

[Melech 9,900]

 

I bet you think that you are so funny and witty, but your mockery comment is pretty sick and disturbing considering I spoke of the real events and the WINTER, not July.

It's not a tropical climate and believe it or not, the snow in Jerusalem this year was not artificial. I bet you're one of those people who think it never gets cold and you never need a jacket in the Middle East.

Gaza had cold rains and floods, while hundreds of thousands are left homeless living on the rubbles of what use to be their building, in tents and shipping containers, with only few hours a day of electricity and sometimes no electricity at all. That is the reality of Gaza. 

But what else to expect from some pro-zionists on this site, right? Racism and apartheid is what you supported from beginning.

Here's more material for your failed standup comedy when you get fired from drunken truck driving.

 

Could you please stop saying that Zionism is racism or apartheid ? Zionism is a word like feminism that totally lost its original meaning. Zionism is simply the existence right of a Jewish state. Anti-Zionism is denying the existence right of a Jewish state which btw goes hand in hand with anti-semitism. 

[lego 44,165]

Could you please stop saying that Zionism is racism or apartheid ? Zionism is a word like feminism that totally lost its original meaning. Zionism is simply the existence right of a Jewish state. Anti-Zionism is denying the existence right of a Jewish state which btw goes hand in hand with anti-semitism. 

http://www.truetorahjews.org/

http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/judaism_isnot_zionism.cfm

http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm

 

 

 

 

 

[Melech 9,900]

http://www.truetorahjews.org/

http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/judaism_isnot_zionism.cfm

http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm

 

 

 

 

Those are orthodox Jews. Also idk how they are anyhow representative of all Judaism. 

[lego 44,165]

Those are orthodox Jews. Also idk how they are anyhow representative of all Judaism. 

How are zionists representative of all the Jews/ Judaism?

They have good arguments. You should read them.

" Tragically many believe that Zionism and Judaism are identical. Thus they conclude that the entire Jewish people is responsible for the actions of the Zionist government and the world crises which emanates from it. This is a Grave Error!

The truth is that the Jewish faith and Zionism are two very different philosophies. They are as opposite as day and night. The Jewish people have existed for thousands of years. In their two thousand years of Divinely decreed exile no Jew ever sought to end this exile and establish independent political sovereignty anywhere. The people's sole purpose was the study and fulfillment of the Divine commandments of the Torah.

The Zionist movement created the Israeli state. The latter is a persuasion less than one hundred years old. Its essential goal was and is to change the nature of the Jewish people from that of a religious entity to a political movement. From Zionism's inception the spiritual leaders of the Jewish people stood in staunch opposition to it.

To this day Torah Jewry remains forever loyal to its faith. Zionists want the world to believe that they are the representatives of the entire Jewish people. This is false! The Jewish people never chose them as their leaders.

The Zionists have deceived many well meaning Jewish people via terror, trickery and false propaganda. They have at their disposal the use of a nearly universally subservient media. Whoever attempts to criticize them puts his livelihood and, at times, his very life in danger.

However, despite the media blackout and easy resort to terror the simple truth remains unrefuted and irrefutable: ACCORDING TO THE JEWISH FAITH AND TORAH LAW THE JEWISH PEOPLE ARE FORBIDDEN TO HAVE THEIR OWN STATE WHILE AWAITING THE MESSIANIC ERA!

The Creator gave us the Holy Land thousands of years ago. Yet, when we sinned, He took it away and sent us into exile. Since that time our task is to wait for Him to send the Messiah. At that time, the Creator alone, without any human being lifting a hand or saying a word, will bring us together and take us out of exile. He will likewise establish universal peace among all mankind and all will serve Him in good will.

Some religious Jews, confused by Zionist propaganda quote Biblical verses that state that G-d gave the children of Israel the Holy Land. They overlook, unfortunately, those verses which say that He took it away due to our sins. They further ignore those prophecies which explicitly describe the last exile's conclusion as a Divine, not a human process.

The Creator has commanded every Jew to follow the ways of peace and to be loyal to the country where he lives.

Torah true Jewry waits patiently for the Messianic redemption. They have nothing to do with any kind of pseudo "Jewish State" and its aggressions against other peoples. They have a deep sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians who have suffered the most from Zionism's false teachings and barbaric actions. The Zionist state is not a Jewish state. The Zionists alone are the only ones responsible for their actions. Authentic Jewry has and will continue to oppose the very existence of this blasphemous state. " 

http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/judaism_v_zionism.cfm

 

[Jjang 2,262]

That's not reality, sir. Arabs are the creators of the hatred to the Israelites because when Jewish tribes living in Arabia during the 600s wouldn't convert to islam, muhammed had them all massacred...  That's why it's written in the qur'an negative things because we refused to convert and then got massacred by the thousands. Palestine is a fake country, with no history, and no credibility. It's just not real. The name comes from the Philistines, but I'm sure you and every other Arab know that already. They just want to steal our land, as before.

The timeline of the name "Palestine" does not invalidate its existence, Its rather a very complex piece of history that exclusively applies to that area itself, which by no means represents an isolated culture, nor the merely established land that is seen in the modern eye.

unlike Israel’s perpetual denial that Palestine ever existed as a nation that disregards the definition of ‘nation’ includes both the legal entity of nation as state and also nation as ‘a community of people who share a common language, culture, ethnicity, descent, or history inhabiting a particular country or territory.’ For example in Australia there are over 200 Indigenous nations and over 500 in America.

There are countless historic references to Palestine to counter Israeli denial such as:

1150 BC: “Peleset transliterated from hieroglyphs as P-r-s-t referring to the people and land of the Philistines during Egypt’s Twentieth Dynasty.

800 BC:  The Assyrians referred to region as Palashtu

5th Century BC: “The first known occurrence of the Greek word Palaistine is in the Histories of Herodotus, written near the mid-fifth century B.C. Palaistine Syria, or simply Palaistine, is applied to what may be identified as the southern part of Syria, comprising the region between Phoenicia and Egypt.”

306 -337 CE: Of the Roman Emperor Constantine, Eusebius the Palestinian writes in his Vita Constantini:  In this manner, then, the emperor executed in Palestine the noble works I have above described: and indeed in every province he raised new churches on a far more imposing scale than those which had existed before his time. Chapter xlvii book III   and includes a letter from Constantine to “”Victor Constantinus, Maximus Augustus, to Macarius, and the rest of the bishops in Palestine “ LII

Arab Caliphate 650-1500: “the early division of Syria into five Junds. These corresponded very nearly with the old Roman and Byzantine provinces, such as the Arabs found in existence at the time of the conquest, and which are described in the Code of Theodosius, a work that dates from the fifth century A.D. Palæstina Prima, with Cæsarea for its capital, comprising Judsea and Samaria, became the Arab Jund of Filastîn, with Ramlah for capital. Palæstina Secunda, with Scythopolis (Beth Shean, Baisân) for its capital, comprising the two Galûees and the western part of Persea, became the Jund of Al Urdunn (the Jordan), with Tiberias for the new capital. Palæstina Tertia, or Salutaris, including Idumsea and Arabia Petraea, was absorbed partly into the Damascus Jund, and partly was counted in Filastîn. ( le Strange)

“ The population of Palestine consists of Arabs of the tribes of Lakhm, Judhâm, ’Âmilah, Kindah, Kais ( le Strange)

The discovery of the 7th Century Standing  Caliph Coins of Aylah-Filastin

Circa 1603:  Shakespeare’s Othello, Act4 Sc.3 ll38-9

EMILIA: I know a lady in Venice would have walked barefoot to Palestine for a touch of his nether lip.

1896: Even the father of Zionism, Theodor Herzl, recognised Palestine within the Ottoman  Empire,”If His Majesty the Sultan were to give us Palestine, we could in return undertake to regulate the whole finances of Turkey.” (The Jewish State,)

 

[Melech 9,900]

How are zionists representative of all the Jews/ Judaism?

They have good arguments. You should read them.

" Tragically many believe that Zionism and Judaism are identical. Thus they conclude that the entire Jewish people is responsible for the actions of the Zionist government and the world crises which emanates from it. This is a Grave Error!

The truth is that the Jewish faith and Zionism are two very different philosophies. They are as opposite as day and night. The Jewish people have existed for thousands of years. In their two thousand years of Divinely decreed exile no Jew ever sought to end this exile and establish independent political sovereignty anywhere. The people's sole purpose was the study and fulfillment of the Divine commandments of the Torah.

The Zionist movement created the Israeli state. The latter is a persuasion less than one hundred years old. Its essential goal was and is to change the nature of the Jewish people from that of a religious entity to a political movement. From Zionism's inception the spiritual leaders of the Jewish people stood in staunch opposition to it.

To this day Torah Jewry remains forever loyal to its faith. Zionists want the world to believe that they are the representatives of the entire Jewish people. This is false! The Jewish people never chose them as their leaders.

The Zionists have deceived many well meaning Jewish people via terror, trickery and false propaganda. They have at their disposal the use of a nearly universally subservient media. Whoever attempts to criticize them puts his livelihood and, at times, his very life in danger.

However, despite the media blackout and easy resort to terror the simple truth remains unrefuted and irrefutable: ACCORDING TO THE JEWISH FAITH AND TORAH LAW THE JEWISH PEOPLE ARE FORBIDDEN TO HAVE THEIR OWN STATE WHILE AWAITING THE MESSIANIC ERA!

The Creator gave us the Holy Land thousands of years ago. Yet, when we sinned, He took it away and sent us into exile. Since that time our task is to wait for Him to send the Messiah. At that time, the Creator alone, without any human being lifting a hand or saying a word, will bring us together and take us out of exile. He will likewise establish universal peace among all mankind and all will serve Him in good will.

Some religious Jews, confused by Zionist propaganda quote Biblical verses that state that G-d gave the children of Israel the Holy Land. They overlook, unfortunately, those verses which say that He took it away due to our sins. They further ignore those prophecies which explicitly describe the last exile's conclusion as a Divine, not a human process.

The Creator has commanded every Jew to follow the ways of peace and to be loyal to the country where he lives.

Torah true Jewry waits patiently for the Messianic redemption. They have nothing to do with any kind of pseudo "Jewish State" and its aggressions against other peoples. They have a deep sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians who have suffered the most from Zionism's false teachings and barbaric actions. The Zionist state is not a Jewish state. The Zionists alone are the only ones responsible for their actions. Authentic Jewry has and will continue to oppose the very existence of this blasphemous state. " 

http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/judaism_v_zionism.cfm

 

I think the Holocaust is proof enough that Jews always been victims of racism. With or without state ,the hate wouldn't stop. 

It's funny that you know come with biblical verses when you called out others members for arguemtning with religious scripture.   

Anyway Israel is a secular state. It doesn't have halachah rules for example. It is a country for jews (and other people) and could be arguably be a Jewish states. 

I heard also some arguments that God gave Israel to the Jews through the Britain's and that all the winning wars are a sign of Gods approvment, but that all gets way to theological. 

Anyway being Jews doesn't necessary mean that you are religious since being Jewish is a race as well. 

[lego 44,165]

I think the Holocaust is proof enough that Jews always been victims of racism. With or without state ,the hate wouldn't stop. 

It's funny that you know come with biblical verses when you called out others members for arguemtning with religious scripture.   

Anyway Israel is a secular state. It doesn't have halachah rules for example. It is a country for jews (and other people) and could be arguably be a Jewish states. 

I heard also some arguments that God gave Israel to the Jews through the Britain's and that all the winning wars are a sign of Gods approvment, but that all gets way to theological. 

Anyway being Jews doesn't necessary mean that you are religious since being Jewish is a race as well. 

Of course im gonna do what your friend does. It's his logic, you liked it, so how can you oppose it? What they preach is real Judaism because it's peaceful, unlike that interpretation you gave.

Israeli state brought even more racism towards jewish people thanks to decades of oppression and killing people who are of different ethnicity.

I can say that this is real Judaism and these people have all the arguments to backup their claim. While zionism is rather new and it brought nothing but hate and immoral killing for the land of "chosen people".