Whispering 18,865 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 My opinion is that management isn't everything, the music itself, since it is the product that is sold, has a part in it. I wrote "i just laughed out loud" because i quoted the person above me who wrote this.I know promotion is important, but if the product that is promoted isn't AMAZING, there is a good chance it won't be affective at 100%.As i said about ARTPOP : "It is a good album, superior than a lot of other current popstar album." And when i'm talking about underperformance, it's compared to her previous albums, hence The Fame, The Fame Monster and Born This Way.Yes, I understood that. That's why I asked what happened to "it's an OPINION thread"? Their opinion was that management played a huge part. Your opinion is different. You are asking for people in this thread to respect your opinion but then laughing and making fun of others for their opinion. Subpar products sell big due to big promo and hype and "AMAZING" products fail to sell due to lack of promo, especially for a sustained period of time in music. Happens all the time! How many times have we seen "AMAZING" music fail to sell the way One Direction or some other artist teens and little girls are obsessed over sells? I honestly have nothing against One Direction, but have all their albums really been "AMAZING"? And I agree with you, the only way that ARTPOP could be seen as an underperformance is when we compare her to herself. As Gaga said at SXSW...the expectations for her are so high, due to the past, but she is proud of the album and she and her label were happy with the way it performed...and with the accompaning tour! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 That's exactly what i think. Some songs are #4 on pop radio, yet they're in the 40s on itunes Performances sometimes give a small boosts to songs, then after 1 day it's like nothing happened, If promotion equals guaranteed success like some people since to think, then why did DWUW (example, i love the song and i admit it did good without a video) didn't at least went top 10 on itunes after being performed on The Voice and the AMAs? Because of all The Voice songs that lasted for a week and then fell out of the top 10. That fall, the songs from The Voice were more popular overall than I've ever seen. If Beats would have kept DWUW on the U.S. commercial, like they did in other countries, and we didn't have 5 to 10 Voice songs clogging up the top 15 to 20 every week...you would have seen DWUW stay in the top 10, like it did in other countries outside of the US. Also, if it had a video, it would have possibly gone to number one or two in those countries and been in the top 5 in the US. Singles need videos and the commercial helped people hear the song. When people in other countries heard DWUW a few times, they bought it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,531 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 although ARTPOP was a bit of a let down for me i must say... when it comes to pinning why soemthing doesnt do well commercially... its next to impossible to really say. theres like 1 million factors involved and it ends up being theoretical Its like trying to say why the US collapsed in 2008 and caused a global financial meltdown. Everyone blames the bad loans that caused the housing bubble... But there have been housing bubbles before and they didnt cause such severe downturns Was the surge in oil prices the same year putting pressure on the economy a factor? did low interest rates from Federal Reserve make financial bubbles worse than bad loans alone would of made? did severe disruptions in middle east have speculative negative implications in some economies and in financial trading puttign additional pressure? Its hard to say what truly caused it. Fact is, its even possible without all these other facotrs, the housing imbalance would of had a gradual correction and the economy never would of imploded. So what caused the meltdown? i think its fair to say a tone of factors combined played their roles. Same with commercial success. Public immage? over-exposure? how heavy is competition at the time? promotion? so many things to consider. Songs ud think would flop end up not flopping. Sometimes songs ur sure will be smashes end up not being so Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Empty 25,064 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 although ARTPOP was a bit of a let down for me i must say... when it comes to pinning why soemthing doesnt do well commercially... its next to impossible to really say. theres like 1 million factors involved and it ends up being theoretical Its like trying to say why the US collapsed in 2008 and caused a global financial meltdown. Everyone blames the bad loans that caused the housing bubble... But there have been housing bubbles before and they didnt cause such severe downturns Was the surge in oil prices the same year putting pressure on the economy a factor? did low interest rates from Federal Reserve make financial bubbles worse than bad loans alone would of made? did severe disruptions in middle east have speculative negative implications in some economies and in financial trading puttign additional pressure? Its hard to say what truly caused it. Fact is, its even possible without all these other facotrs, the housing imbalance would of had a gradual correction and the economy never would of imploded. So what caused the meltdown? i think its fair to say a tone of factors combined played their roles. Same with commercial success. Public immage? over-exposure? how heavy is competition at the time? promotion? so many things to consider. Songs ud think would flop end up not flopping. Sometimes songs ur sure will be smashes end up not being so Exactly this. Modern culture is so focussed on "the one". The one pop sensation. The one best record. And in this case the one reason why ARTPOP didn't do well. But the fact is that by only looking at things in this way you're missing a lot of relevant information and limiting your own thinking process. Happiness will never last, darkness comes to kick your ass... ᵃˢˢ 🕺 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Bromance 5,809 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 @OBEY, I totally respect your opinion. This is a fan forum, after all, and we should be able to express our opinions and discuss them in a rational and civilized manner without dragging one another for having a different opinion from our own. Having stated the above, my opinion on ARTPOP hasn't changed in the least bit. It's now June of 2015 and I still love the album as much as I did as the day it was released. I listen to ARTPOP almost every day and the demo version of Aura still slays me to no end. Venus, G.U.Y., Sexxx Dreams, DWUW, MANiCURE, Donatella, Dope, MJH, and Gypsy are on constant replay and even Jewels 'N Drugs is a bop to me. IMO, ARTPOP is Gaga's best album to date. While I love the other 3 albums to no end, ARTPOP is slightly better than the other 3 masterpieces. After all this time, I still can't get enough of the gem that is ARTPOP. I don't care what you think about unless it is about me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,531 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Exactly this. Modern culture is so focussed on "the one". The one pop sensation. The one best record. And in this case the one reason why ARTPOP didn't do well. But the fact is that by only looking at things in this way you're missing a lot of relevant information and limiting your own thinking process. yeah this. ppl dont think on a full spectrum sometimes. they like to look for the ONE cause when theres usually plenty btw thanks, the reply i did to ur comment inspired an idea for my next thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop 4,541 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I agree.ARTPOP is a good album, but it's not as good as her previous ones. However, had it had normal promotion and a mentally stable Gaga it would still do good. The Taylor Brigade: KNOCKOUT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEANUS 14,963 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I'm gonna have to stop right where you say Aura and Applause aren't catchy Aura's chorus is one of her catchiest chorus' ever and Applause's pre-chorus is a COMPLETE earworm. And the album DOES have possible iconic lines that could've been. "Don't you know my ass is famous" had the potential to be one of her most iconic lines IMO but it wasn't released as a single. It's not fair to compare one of Gaga's biggest hits to an album track when saying one is more iconic than the other British social ladies with upturned pinkies, glasses clinking // xoxoTEANUS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangerous Man 9,245 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 You have a great point... But Applause alone deserved a Bad Romance kind of slayage. The GP's taste... "A little less conversation and a little more touch my body." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBEY 57,109 Posted June 12, 2015 Author Share Posted June 12, 2015 I'm gonna have to stop right where you say Aura and Applause aren't catchy Aura's chorus is one of her catchiest chorus' ever and Applause's pre-chorus is a COMPLETE earworm. I did say that Applause's pre-chorus was a great/catchy/iconic line from the ARTPOP album, though. Aura isn't a catchy song for me : only its chorus is. I don't find the verses catchy at all. For me, when a song is catchy, its in its overall : verses, pre-chorus/chorus, bridge, and so on. And except it's chorus it is not that for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBEY 57,109 Posted June 12, 2015 Author Share Posted June 12, 2015 You have a great point... But Applause alone deserved a Bad Romance kind of slayage. The GP's taste... Applause gets better each time i listen to it, to be honest One of the best songs of the album! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 1,031 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I don't really agree with any of this but eh it's just an opinion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinthesheep 2,947 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Think what you want about ARTPOP but don't trash gaga for it. She did her best at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo Rose 1,475 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Venus G.U.Y Sexxx Dreams Jewels n Drugs MANiCURE and Fashion!These are all weak songs for me, I was disappointed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yves 1,891 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I'm glad you saw the light. All-time low on her writing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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