Madonna's Rebel Heart Tour - DVD coming soon!

[AlphaMonster 1,806]

I couldn't disagree more.

Seeing Madonna solo is a dream come true for me and loads of other fans. It's how she got so massively famous to begin with. Her appeal and solo star power is unmatched. Sure, her brother and friend were her background dancers in the beginning but her iconic early performances (Holiday at American Bandstand, Like A Virgin at the first MTV VMA's etc.)  were all solo performances. There's few artists that can entertain such a huge crowd all by themselves. For me, it's down to Madonna, Michael Jackson, Freddie Mercury, Beyonce and occasionally (aka The Fame), Gaga. 

I find your second comment plain offensive. Madonna IS an unbelievably talented musician, she has written (or co-written) most of her catalogue and has always been in control of her artistic direction, both music and visuals. You should do research and look into her career. One of her earliest collaborators, Mark Kamins, who did production on her first single, gave an interview once saying how she came into the studio and everyone just expected her to sing the demo they'd given to her. She was a new artist and people expected her to just listen to the producers, who had the experience she lacked. She didn't. She had written the song, they produced it without her being there and she didn't like it upon return. Madonna took over production, got rid of Kamins and brought in Steven Bray, who freshened up the production uncredited. She told her record company "I have ideas, I have concepts. Just listen to me." They did, and look where it got her. The most successful pop career ever. All of her collaborators say Madonna is the most hands-on pop artist they've ever worked with, why do you think a producer like let's say Diplo, who previously openly criticised Madonna, is now a Madonna fan (and collaborator)? She's always 100% in control, writes her music and co-produces all of her songs. How is she not a talented musician? Sure she's a mediocre guitar player and has had pitchy vocal performances here and there but performances like Sooner or Later at the Oscars, her entire Evita and Ray Of Light era's prove that she has always been a wonderful vocalist. Joan Lader, her voice teacher, has worked with everyone in the industry (literally everyone, Google her) and says no one works harder and as focused during their sessions as Madonna. She is 100% dedicated to her career and has unbelievable self-discipline. That's not my opinion, it's a proven fact, pick up any unauthorised biography on her. Even her brother's hateful, trashy book states that she's the hardest working artist then and now. 

She IS an incredible dancer, if you (again) would know more about her, you'd know she was a straight A dance student and was in legendary modern dance companies before entering the music industry. Now, her choreography is still intricate here and there, but it's mostly for self-entertainment. Every recent tour, she tries "something new". For Confessions it was Krumping, for S&S double dutch jump rope, for MDNA slacklining and now for RH it's pole dancing. She ALWAYS tries something new, no one can accuse Madonna of standing still, her entire success is based upon the fact she evolves so much and never looks backwards. Madonna hates repetition, yet I see how you could miss that with Candy Shop being performed for the third time despite not being a single or a fan favourite. It's simply because she likes it and the beat lends itself to be reworked time after time. It's still a complete different performance and version to the S&S and MDNA one. It's there purely for Madonna's own fun and at this point in her career, who's going to deny her that? If she wants to do just songs from HC, MDNA and RH, she can. It's her show, her artistry. She's included loads of oldies and goodies this time around and fans are delighted with the setlist except for the occasional complaint about the lack of COADF tracks. But that's just because COADF is a fan favourite.

Madonna has spent 4 months working on the show, almost daily. 8 if you take the original guidelines into consideration because the heart-shaped stage was rumoured in February and confirmed in August. So that early part of production happened a long time ago. Still, four months of rehearsing the show is a lot. Especially if you know that Confessions for instance was only rehearsed for 2,5 months. A very intense 2,5 months, but still not a lot of time. She went to LA in March 2006 and the show was on the road at the end of May. So no, she hasn't spent less time on this tour, in fact she spent more. MDNA is an exception because the stage was the first of it's kind and it was so difficult that they had to rehearse with the many hydraulic lifts. The entire stage was basically a hydraulic lift, it had never been done before.

The way you describe what you expect out of a pop show, I think it IS better for you to go see a Katy Perry show. Or let's say a Kylie show. Full of wonderful production, not a lot of solo-time and a complete extravaganza. Madonna does all of that too, yes, but it's always 100% about HER. If you missed that during the previous two tours, that's on you, not on her. Because for every longtime Madonna fan, this tour is a return to form. A lot of that mega production we loved from the previous recent tours, mixed with solo Madonna, shining bright all by herself, just as we got to know her. The critics, the box office and the fan reaction proves that your opinion is an unpopular one. It is still your opinion however so you can have it. But putting things out there like "Madonna is not a talented musician" and "She hasn't rehearsed this show as much as the other ones" is simply untrue. Your opinion and the reasoning behind it is very poorly researched and therefore to me, invalid. 

Go see the show, read a book about Madonna and take a look at Prismatic, then come back into this thread.

About Madonna's musicianship, I did not say that she did not write her songs or anything like that. Madonna is a good musician, but that's all it is for me. She is not one of the bests so that I would pay this much money solely for her music so I expect show as good as previous tours. Reference factors: Creativity, details, re-invention, choreographies, costumes, background videos, Stage tech. According to these reference factors I found RH Tour lot weaker compared to MDNA, S&S, Confessions Tours. She had her highs when her musicianship was peaked (Ray of Light, COADF) but song choices of RH Tour was not good but rather mediocre in my opinion. For me, Madonna is the best performer because she is the best when considered these reference factors.

I never said Madonna is not a good dancer. She is a very good dancer indeed ! But not good enough to manage whole stage by herself, nobody would pay to see even a cirque du soleil dancer alone on the stage. Plus, she can't dance as she used to dance. Her body's joints started to become seemingly stiff even compared to MDNA Tour, this can be seen especially at figures that are focused on her hips and upper legs. Also choreographies in her last tours were more striking, they had definite points that hit you with the beat, most choreographies on RH Tour lacks that. L4L, Iconic, Holy Water choreographies were very good but for example: Music, Holiday, Body Shop, Bitch I'm Madonna, Unapologetic Bitch(it kinda had one) choreographies were too weak for Madonna.

A Katy Perry or a Kylie Show would never get close to MDNA Tour, S&S Tour, or Confessions tour according to my reference factors(Creativity, details, re-invention, choreographies, costumes, background videos, Stage tech). So you are telling me to go see them does not make any sense. Madonna established herself as touring superpower because she was amazing according to these reference factors; she did not become a touring superpower because of her solo moments. She even jokes somewhere(can't remember where) that people go get hot dogs etc when she is singing ballads. 

For trying new things, Holy Water was the biggest moment of this show, I did not criticize it, it was also the most creative performance. But most performances was not nearly as good as Holy Water. Also, on RH Tour, she couldn't re-invent any of her old songs successfully except Material Girl in my opinion. La Isla Bonita was the classic La Isla Bonita; Deeper and Deeper, Holiday, Candy Shop,Burning Up(performed in the same way at Re-Invention Tour)  were not re-invented.(Sure there were little additions, but re-inventing is something like Into the Groove from S&S, Like a Virgin from The Confessions Tour, Candy Shop from MDNA Tour, Material Girl from RH Tour). Spanish medley, and LAV remix were not really good either.

These Ideas do not mean that I will enjoy the show which I will see on 5th October. I consider myself as a Madonna fan, too. But I am never a fanatic. I am just telling what I see, what I observe. And again, I am disappointed because this show is not as glorious as MDNA Tour...

[jojuun 4,159]

i never said she didnt, i said she barley uses them. she only used them on the monster ball and at the last show of the artrave. and i though they where immitators because you said they try to replicate their voices. like that girl who apparently sings exactly like her

Yes she did during the Monster Ball, which was her most acclaimed tour to date and the one with the largest amount of cohesive choreography aka the reason she needed them to begin with. ArtRave was actually criticised for heavy reliance on the backing track instead of back ups, check the Wiki page. I hope Gaga's next tour sees a return to classic showmanship, aka full band, proper "sections", cohesiveness and YES, background vocals. 

In a certain way they do imitate, because they have to be "close" to the lead vocalist. Otherwise they'd be a vocal group, not back-up singers. But they are not exact replicas of course, if you listen closely to mic feeds from the Monster Ball or Confessions, you can clearly tell who's Gaga or Madonna and who are the back-up singers. Except for moments in Confessions where Madonna is walking up and down stairs, straddling dancers while having to deliver the very delicate vocals to I Feel Love. Then they try to "blend" in as much as possible because the sound is delicate and the performer is moving. Same for the Monster Ball, during let's say the Madison Square Garden recording of Just Dance you can clearly hear she has the backing track, the back up singers and the live vocal. Her live vocal is the loudest but she needs the extra support while moving. It's normal, don't get worked up over it.

[jojuun 4,159]

About Madonna's musicianship, I did not say that she did not write her songs or anything like that. Madonna is a good musician, but that's all it is for me. She is not one of the bests so that I would pay this much money solely for her music so I expect show as good as previous tours. Reference factors: Creativity, details, re-invention, choreographies, costumes, background videos, Stage tech. According to these reference factors I found RH Tour lot weaker compared to MDNA, S&S, Confessions Tours. She had her highs when her musicianship was peaked (Ray of Light, COADF) but song choices of RH Tour was not good but rather mediocre in my opinion.

I never said Madonna is not a good dancer. She is a very good dancer indeed ! But not good enough to manage whole stage by herself, nobody would pay to see even a cirque du soleil dancer alone on the stage. Plus, she can't dance as she used to dance. Her body's joints started to become seemingly stiff even compared to MDNA Tour, this can be seen especially at figures that are focused on her hips and upper legs. Also choreographies in her last tours were more striking, they had definite points that hit you with the beat, most choreographies on RH Tour lacks that. L4L, Iconic, Holy Water choreographies were very good but for example: Music, Holiday, Body Shop, Bitch I'm Madonna, Unapologetic Bitch(it kinda had one) choreographies were too weak for Madonna.

A Katy Perry or a Kylie Show would never get close to MDNA Tour, S&S Tour, or Confessions tour according to my reference factors(Creativity, details, re-invention, choreographies, costumes, background videos, Stage tech). So you are telling me to go see them does not make any sense. Madonna established herself as touring superpower because she was amazing according to these reference factors; she did not become a touring superpower because of her solo moments. She even jokes somewhere(can't remember where) that people go get hot dogs etc when she is singing ballads. 

For trying new things, Holy Water was the biggest moment of this show, I did not criticize it, it was also the most creative performance. But most performances was not nearly as good as Holy Water. Also, on RH Tour, she couldn't re-invent any of her old songs successfully except Material Girl in my opinion. La Isla Bonita was the classic La Isla Bonita; Deeper and Deeper, Music, Holiday, Candy Shop,Burning Up(performed in the same way at Re-Invention Tour)  were not re-invented.(Sure there were little additions, but re-inventing is something like Into the Groove from S&S, Like a Virgin from The Confessions Tour, Candy Shop from MDNA Tour, Material Girl from RH Tour). Spanish medley, and LAV remix were not really good either.

These Ideas do not mean that I will enjoy the show which I will see on 5th October. I consider myself as a Madonna fan, too. But I am never a fanatic. I am just telling what I see, what I observe.

But the reasoning you gave behind "your opinion" in your previous post are simply untrue, I like how you completely ignore the fact I proved you wrong. Shows how you are not open to accept that you're just disliking the show and throwing mud simply cause you're not feeling it. You said you suspected she didn't rehearse the show as much as others and you don't consider her an amazing musician. Yet she IS a "real" amazing musician and she did rehearse the show as long or more compared to previous tours, so whats the reasoning then? 

Your "factors" are all there. She is creative, there's lots of details, she did re-invent oldies, there is choreography, I see costumes, background videos and if you would put on glasses you'd see the stage is a cross with a heart, quite an inventive stage design and the main floor consists of a video screen that is able to tilt. So yeah, I'd say that's stage tech.

It's all there, you just don't like what she's done with it. But that doesn't mean you can't say it's not there. It IS, and most fans beside you love it. The opening video is an amazing visual for instance, you just happend to dislike it. Madonna didn't deliver a show "not up to Madonna standards". You are just watching YouTube clips with the preconceived notion you were going to see a intricate tech stage like MDNA and clean choreo group numbers from S&S.

Your opinion, is simply that, your opinion and it is an unpopular one as most fans love it start to finish. One critic said "we need her now more than ever" as the current pop girls are all doing the same thing and lack what she has buckets full off, star quality and the ability to completely own a stage both by herself or with dancers. 

The arrangements are fine, just because you hate them doesn't mean they're not good. All the fans are going crazy over the LAV remix and you dislike it the most (according to your previous post.) As everyone is getting bigger and bigger stages (have you seen Taylor Swift's INSANE stage right now?) Madonna went smaller and still outshines all of the recent pop tours because she demands the attention. She's the entertainer, props are an extension, not the main factor. 

You just have a different taste compared to me or most fans. You expected a complete re-invention of oldies and an innovative complicated hi-tech stage like with MDNA. But she didn't. People complained about the stage and hectic visuals in MDNA. This tour goes back to RIT or CT. Sure there's tech and all but it's mostly pure performance.

Go see the show and please don't say sh*t like "she's getting too old" when her dancers are saying THEY are begging her for less intense schedules. Or "she didn't rehearse this one as much". Which she did. That is not your opinion, that is putting false assumptions into the world as truth. I'll gladly read your opinion October 6th, I'm sure she'll change your mind. And if she didn't, I hope you can justify your reasoning as to why not. But I'm pretty sure it'll be because of your taste and your expectations, not Madonna's creativity, work ethic or performance.

[AlphaMonster 1,806]

But the reasoning you gave behind "your opinion" in your previous post are simply untrue, I like how you completely ignore the fact I proved you wrong. Shows how you are not open to accept that you're just disliking the show and throwing mud simply cause you're not feeling it. You said you suspected she didn't rehearse the show as much as others and you don't consider her an amazing musician. Yet she IS a "real" amazing musician and she did rehearse the show as long or more compared to previous tours, so whats the reasoning then? 

Your "factors" are all there. She is creative, there's lots of details, she did re-invent oldies, there is choreography, I see costumes, background videos and if you would put on glasses you'd see the stage is a cross with a heart, quite an inventive stage design and the main floor consists of a video screen that is able to tilt. So yeah, I'd say that's stage tech.

It's all there, you just don't like what she's done with it. But that doesn't mean you can't say it's not there. It IS, and most fans beside you love it. The opening video is an amazing visual for instance, you just happend to dislike it. Madonna didn't deliver a show "not up to Madonna standards". You are just watching YouTube clips with the preconceived notion you were going to see a intricate tech stage like MDNA and clean choreo group numbers from S&S.

Your opinion, is simply that, your opinion and it is an unpopular one as most fans love it start to finish. One critic said "we need her now more than ever" as the current pop girls are all doing the same thing and lack what she has buckets full off, star quality and the ability to completely own a stage both by herself or with dancers. 

The arrangements are fine, just because you hate them doesn't mean they're not good. All the fans are going crazy over the LAV remix and you dislike it the most (according to your previous post.) As everyone is getting bigger and bigger stages (have you seen Taylor Swift's INSANE stage right now?) Madonna went smaller and still outshines all of the recent pop tours because she demands the attention. She's the entertainer, props are an extension, not the main factor. 

You just have a different taste compared to me or most fans. You expected a complete re-invention of oldies and an innovative complicated hi-tech stage like with MDNA. But she didn't. People complained about the stage and hectic visuals in MDNA. This tour goes back to RIT or CT. Sure there's tech and all but it's mostly pure performance.

Go see the show and please don't say sh*t like "she's getting too old" when her dancers are saying THEY are begging her for less intense schedules. Or "she didn't rehearse this one as much". Which she did. That is not your opinion, that is putting false assumptions into the world as truth. I'll gladly read your opinion October 6th, I'm sure she'll change your mind. And if she didn't, I hope you can justify your reasoning as to why not. But I'm pretty sure it'll be because of your taste and your expectations, not Madonna's creativity, work ethic or performance.

Yes darling

[Duella Dvil 10,566]

Yes!! At least she did Saturday night 

i must have MISSED that melt down, what section did she sing it on

[Haroon 49,685]

@AlphaMonster Merged your thread into the main Rebel Heart Tour thread  

[Snow 1,582]

I couldn't disagree more.

Seeing Madonna solo is a dream come true for me and loads of other fans. It's how she got so massively famous to begin with. Her appeal and solo star power is unmatched. Sure, her brother and friend were her background dancers in the beginning but her iconic early performances (Holiday at American Bandstand, Like A Virgin at the first MTV VMA's etc.)  were all solo performances. There's few artists that can entertain such a huge crowd all by themselves. For me, it's down to Madonna, Michael Jackson, Freddie Mercury, Beyonce and occasionally (aka The Fame), Gaga. 

I find your second comment plain offensive. Madonna IS an unbelievably talented musician, she has written (or co-written) most of her catalogue and has always been in control of her artistic direction, both music and visuals. You should do research and look into her career. One of her earliest collaborators, Mark Kamins, who did production on her first single, gave an interview once saying how she came into the studio and everyone just expected her to sing the demo they'd given to her. She was a new artist and people expected her to just listen to the producers, who had the experience she lacked. She didn't. She had written the song, they produced it without her being there and she didn't like it upon return. Madonna took over production, got rid of Kamins and brought in Steven Bray, who freshened up the production uncredited. She told her record company "I have ideas, I have concepts. Just listen to me." They did, and look where it got her. The most successful pop career ever. All of her collaborators say Madonna is the most hands-on pop artist they've ever worked with, why do you think a producer like let's say Diplo, who previously openly criticised Madonna, is now a Madonna fan (and collaborator)? She's always 100% in control, writes her music and co-produces all of her songs. How is she not a talented musician? Sure she's a mediocre guitar player and has had pitchy vocal performances here and there but performances like Sooner or Later at the Oscars, her entire Evita and Ray Of Light era's prove that she has always been a wonderful vocalist. Joan Lader, her voice teacher, has worked with everyone in the industry (literally everyone, Google her) and says no one works harder and as focused during their sessions as Madonna. She is 100% dedicated to her career and has unbelievable self-discipline. That's not my opinion, it's a proven fact, pick up any unauthorised biography on her. Even her brother's hateful, trashy book states that she's the hardest working artist then and now. 

She IS an incredible dancer, if you (again) would know more about her, you'd know she was a straight A dance student and was in legendary modern dance companies before entering the music industry. Now, her choreography is still intricate here and there, but it's mostly for self-entertainment. Every recent tour, she tries "something new". For Confessions it was Krumping, for S&S double dutch jump rope, for MDNA slacklining and now for RH it's pole dancing. She ALWAYS tries something new, no one can accuse Madonna of standing still, her entire success is based upon the fact she evolves so much and never looks backwards. Madonna hates repetition, yet I see how you could miss that with Candy Shop being performed for the third time despite not being a single or a fan favourite. It's simply because she likes it and the beat lends itself to be reworked time after time. It's still a complete different performance and version to the S&S and MDNA one. It's there purely for Madonna's own fun and at this point in her career, who's going to deny her that? If she wants to do just songs from HC, MDNA and RH, she can. It's her show, her artistry. She's included loads of oldies and goodies this time around and fans are delighted with the setlist except for the occasional complaint about the lack of COADF tracks. But that's just because COADF is a fan favourite.

Madonna has spent 4 months working on the show, almost daily. 8 if you take the original guidelines into consideration because the heart-shaped stage was rumoured in February and confirmed in August. So that early part of production happened a long time ago. Still, four months of rehearsing the show is a lot. Especially if you know that Confessions for instance was only rehearsed for 2,5 months. A very intense 2,5 months, but still not a lot of time. She went to LA in March 2006 and the show was on the road at the end of May. So no, she hasn't spent less time on this tour, in fact she spent more. MDNA is an exception because the stage was the first of it's kind and it was so difficult that they had to rehearse with the many hydraulic lifts. The entire stage was basically a hydraulic lift, it had never been done before.

The way you describe what you expect out of a pop show, I think it IS better for you to go see a Katy Perry show. Or let's say a Kylie show. Full of wonderful production, not a lot of solo-time and a complete extravaganza. Madonna does all of that too, yes, but it's always 100% about HER. If you missed that during the previous two tours, that's on you, not on her. Because for every longtime Madonna fan, this tour is a return to form. A lot of that mega production we loved from the previous recent tours, mixed with solo Madonna, shining bright all by herself, just as we got to know her. The critics, the box office and the fan reaction proves that your opinion is an unpopular one. It is still your opinion however so you can have it. But putting things out there like "Madonna is not a talented musician" and "She hasn't rehearsed this show as much as the other ones" is simply untrue. Your opinion and the reasoning behind it is very poorly researched and therefore to me, invalid. 

Go see the show, read a book about Madonna and take a look at Prismatic, then come back into this thread.

HEAVENLY post! Amen, thats ALL I can say :) Bravo! 

[Snow 1,582]

But the reasoning you gave behind "your opinion" in your previous post are simply untrue, I like how you completely ignore the fact I proved you wrong. Shows how you are not open to accept that you're just disliking the show and throwing mud simply cause you're not feeling it. You said you suspected she didn't rehearse the show as much as others and you don't consider her an amazing musician. Yet she IS a "real" amazing musician and she did rehearse the show as long or more compared to previous tours, so whats the reasoning then? 

Your "factors" are all there. She is creative, there's lots of details, she did re-invent oldies, there is choreography, I see costumes, background videos and if you would put on glasses you'd see the stage is a cross with a heart, quite an inventive stage design and the main floor consists of a video screen that is able to tilt. So yeah, I'd say that's stage tech.

It's all there, you just don't like what she's done with it. But that doesn't mean you can't say it's not there. It IS, and most fans beside you love it. The opening video is an amazing visual for instance, you just happend to dislike it. Madonna didn't deliver a show "not up to Madonna standards". You are just watching YouTube clips with the preconceived notion you were going to see a intricate tech stage like MDNA and clean choreo group numbers from S&S.

Your opinion, is simply that, your opinion and it is an unpopular one as most fans love it start to finish. One critic said "we need her now more than ever" as the current pop girls are all doing the same thing and lack what she has buckets full off, star quality and the ability to completely own a stage both by herself or with dancers. 

The arrangements are fine, just because you hate them doesn't mean they're not good. All the fans are going crazy over the LAV remix and you dislike it the most (according to your previous post.) As everyone is getting bigger and bigger stages (have you seen Taylor Swift's INSANE stage right now?) Madonna went smaller and still outshines all of the recent pop tours because she demands the attention. She's the entertainer, props are an extension, not the main factor. 

You just have a different taste compared to me or most fans. You expected a complete re-invention of oldies and an innovative complicated hi-tech stage like with MDNA. But she didn't. People complained about the stage and hectic visuals in MDNA. This tour goes back to RIT or CT. Sure there's tech and all but it's mostly pure performance.

Go see the show and please don't say sh*t like "she's getting too old" when her dancers are saying THEY are begging her for less intense schedules. Or "she didn't rehearse this one as much". Which she did. That is not your opinion, that is putting false assumptions into the world as truth. I'll gladly read your opinion October 6th, I'm sure she'll change your mind. And if she didn't, I hope you can justify your reasoning as to why not. But I'm pretty sure it'll be because of your taste and your expectations, not Madonna's creativity, work ethic or performance.

aaamen again! I think I love you now. You put down in beautyful writing ALL The things I wanted to say <3

[faux 2,190]

This is seriously shaping up to be my favorite Madonna tour  Right next to Confessions!   She is just so alive and fun, the stage is perfect, it's fresh and clean and GREAT 

 

[Snow 1,582]

Here's The Québec Bitch of The night 

[shoful 13,304]

Did she sing Ghosttown at Quebec?

[EdX 2,862]

Did she sing Ghosttown at Quebec?

YES! According to setlist.fm

[Bellatrix 34,811]

YES! According to setlist.fm

She better not remove it then. I need to hear it in November.

Also praying she comes to her senses and adds Slay of Arc 

[EdX 2,862]

She better not remove it then. I need to hear it in November.

Also praying she comes to her senses and adds Slay of Arc 

47 days  (you just got me so hyped idk why)

[Bellatrix 34,811]

47 days  (you just got me so hyped idk why)

Slé me

It's not much time left

I'm not sure I'm ready for it yet