Better Day 5,766 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Mr Brende sees the UK as a bigger player in Europe than NorwayNorway's Foreign Minister Borge Brende says it makes sense for the UK to stay in the European Union, where it "can have more influence" than outside.Norway is not in the EU but enacts most EU legislation in order to maintain access to the single market."Europe without Britain I don't think is as strong a Europe as with Britain inside," Mr Brende told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.The UK will hold an in/out referendum on EU membership by the end of 2017.UK Prime Minister David Cameron has launched a diplomatic campaign to garner support from other EU leaders for his EU reform plans. New curbs on migrant benefits are a priority for the UK Conservatives, but they also want to cut EU bureaucracy, give national parliaments a bigger say over EU laws and remove market barriers in key areas such as services. Single market 'so important'Eurosceptic opponents of the UK's membership argue that being outside would enable the UK to control immigration from the EU and trade more freely with major powers outside the EU.Mr Brende said Norway was "among the fastest in Europe" in implementing EU directives, "because the single market is so important", with almost 80% of Norwegian exports going to the EU.The foreign minister is from Norway's Conservative Party, the country's main centre-right party.Norway is in the European Economic Area (EEA), along with Iceland and Liechtenstein, which allows them to trade in the single market.Some British Eurosceptics look to Norway's position as a model for the UK if it were to leave the EU."In the EEA we have to implement all EU directives... we're not around the table when they're discussed in Brussels," Mr Brende said."We see Britain as an important voice also in the EU, we know Britain is now seeing a recovery in its economy, and we want to see the European economy also revive… "Part of this is also addressing the bureaucracy in Brussels, in a no-nonsense manner. I think Britain is that kind of voice in the EU... "Britain also can have more influence inside the EU than outside." When asked about trade with the rest of the world, Mr Brende said a future EU-US free trade deal, currently being negotiated, could be "a challenge" for non-EU countries like Norway - and the UK if voters said "No" to EU membership.What are your thoughts? Are the UK better ofd in or out? The reason why they are going to be a referendum is Cameron wants to please the right-wing http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32957134 Together You And I! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Heart 4,400 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I hope we stay in the EU "GGD IS NOT FOR YOU" - Admin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better Day 5,766 Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 I hope we stay in the EU I will be voting Yes.however I will be secretly being hoping we voted No because it could possibly mean we would gain indepedence Together You And I! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Heart 4,400 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I will be voting Yes.however I will be secretly being hoping we voted No because it could possibly mean we would gain indepedence Haha that my thinking too :P "GGD IS NOT FOR YOU" - Admin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmm 979 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I will be voting Yes.however I will be secretly being hoping we voted No because it could possibly mean we would gain indepedence Why?-OT: Of course it's better in the EU and I'm actually surprised the referendum is even going ahead, especially since David Cameron seems to think that a 'reformed' EU is in the best interests of the UK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better Day 5,766 Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 Why?-OT: Of course it's better in the EU and I'm actually surprised the referendum is even going ahead, especially since David Cameron seems to think that a 'reformed' EU is in the best interests of the UK.I support Scottish indepedence.Cameron promised one- the only being is because of the rise of the right-wing parties like UKIP and Britain First Together You And I! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmm 979 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I support Scottish indepedence. Cameron promised one- the only being is because of the rise of the right-wing parties like UKIP and Britain First I'm pretty sure everyone's aware you support independence of Alba I meant why you think a no vote would lead to independence as the next referendum on Scottish independence will be a long way off and regardless of the EU question it's only a matter of time before independence will be gained. He obviously promised the referendum but politicians don't often stick to their promises Something as big as leaving the EU could prove catastrophic and with the current political representation system I'm surprised he's worried about UKIP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better Day 5,766 Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 I'm pretty sure everyone's aware you support independence of Alba I meant why you think a no vote would lead to independence as the next referendum on Scottish independence will be a long way off and regardless of the EU question it's only a matter of time before independence will be gained. He obviously promised the referendum but politicians don't often stick to their promises Something as big as leaving the EU could prove catastrophic and with the current political representation system I'm surprised he's worried about UKIP UKIP got over 2 million votes last month. say that england (85% of the population live there) voted No to staying in the EU whereas the rest of the UK members voted Yea. It would mean we would pull out of the EU without Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland consent. Scotland would sort of say "If we are getting pulled out of this despite W, S and NI saying Yes we deserve another referendum because the SNP (the leading party in the Scottish government) are pro-EU. It is almost guaranteed this time it would be a Yes vote Together You And I! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmm 979 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 UKIP got over 2 million votes last month.say that england (85% of the population live there) voted No to staying in the EU whereas the rest of the UK members voted Yea. It would mean we would pull out of the EU without Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland consent. Scotland would sort of say "If we are getting pulled out of this despite W, S and NI saying Yes we deserve another referendum because the SNP (the leading party in the Scottish government) are pro-EU. It is almost guaranteed this time it would be a Yes voteFor the separation to occur peacefully, Westminster consent for the referendum would still be required and Hollyrood obviously doesn't have the legislative ability to declare itself an independent state, it makes no difference realistically whether or not Scots call for a referendum. Some like yourself are theoretically calling for another referendum, there's no change to the system here. Despite that, a pro-EU state is not necessarily a state in the EU and whilst obviously the system will be shook up a bit by a 'brexit' there's still the question of whether or not independent Scotland could even get into the EU. The UK uses the first-past-the-post system which negatively affects the number of seats the 'non-regional' parties such as UKIP, Greens and Lib dems get, whilst positively benefiting the big two parties (and SNP now). UKIP won't be a threat for a very long time and their reputation will dissuade the vast majority of voters in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 For the separation to occur peacefully, Westminster consent for the referendum would still be required and Hollyrood obviously doesn't have the legislative ability to declare itself an independent state, it makes no difference realistically whether or not Scots call for a referendum. Some like yourself are theoretically calling for another referendum, there's no change to the system here. Despite that, a pro-EU state is not necessarily a state in the EU and whilst obviously the system will be shook up a bit by a 'brexit' there's still the question of whether or not independent Scotland could even get into the EU. The UK uses the first-past-the-post system which negatively affects the number of seats the 'non-regional' parties such as UKIP, Greens and Lib dems get, whilst positively benefiting the big two parties (and SNP now). UKIP won't be a threat for a very long time and their reputation will dissuade the vast majority of voters in my opinion. UKIP is a big problem.Usually there's about 50% right wing and 50% left wing. To get the seat, you need the most votes for one party which means that a big right bloc is way better than a bloc divided into LibDem, UKIP and Conservatives.Imagine:35% Labour30% Conservative20% UKIP10% LibDemThis city obviously is a right-wing city, but yet Labour would get the seat here.Now ofcourse people will vote stragetically, so they'll choose the right-wing party that hs the biggest chance to win. This would mean a lot of Conservative votes going to UKIP. I wouldn't mind either results. On the one hand I want more unity in the EU (so without the whiny brits) and I also want to see the effect it has, and on the other hand it would negatively impact my country's trade and perhaps bring it into a small recessions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I want unity to Europe. Less national states the better. But Brits aren't ready for that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bionic 50,111 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 @MissRebelDolly I guess the majority of Scotland will vote to stay in the EU like the majority voted for the SNP in the general electiON? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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