RAMROD 104,307 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I personally admire Gaga for this because it can always be a career suicide act if it wasn't a figure as enigmatic as Gaga doing this in the height of their career.It does for Gaga too but not as bad.Because in return she also gotten lots of new waves of supports. (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ✧*:･ﾟ 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚝𝚛𝚎𝚗𝚐𝚝𝚑 𝚝𝚘 𝚜𝚝𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚊𝚕𝚘𝚗𝚎 (*´艸｀*) ♡♡♡ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 You're reading to much into it. The question was did the song create an impact on America's view of Innate vs Enviormental? That's all. I'd rather have too much info than not enough I answered and then elaborated, which I found to be appropriate because a shallow "yes" or "no" wasn't enough 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomKack 6,501 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I'd like to think it did. It's a cliché but the song really did help me accept who I was. In 2010/2011 I was in a state of huge denial, being gay was just seen as this thing that people shouldn't turn out to be, and that people who were gay probably had a terrible upbringing involving abuse etc.My mindset was that I've never been abused or had a bad upbringing thus I can't be gay. Then the song came along and became mainstream, and to see people actively believing in its message was a wake-up call to me. If so many people agree that people were Born This Way, surely I could have been born this way without having a terrible upbringing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nakedidea 745 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 album of the decade tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo 1,934 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I absolutely believe not just BTW, the song, but Gaga's whole message has made a huge impact on how people perceive homos-xuality. This was a very brave step in her career, and I will be forever grateful, as it contributed greatly in the advancement of LGBTQ rights. <3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 I'd rather have too much info than not enough I answered and then elaborated, which I found to be appropriate because a shallow "yes" or "no" wasn't enough No you were yammering on about "unnaturalness" and "badness" and overused silly icons. By the way your opinion is not info it's just an opinion. Fla-say-dah girl Fla-say-dah "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 No you were yammering on about "unnaturalness" and "badness" and overused silly icons. By the way your opinion is not info it's just an opinion. Fla-say-dah girl Fla-say-dah If you want to keep believing that certain harmless life styles and life choices are innately immoral and worthy of persecution and death just because they don't follow the status quo, that's your prerogative, sis Pretty sure most people agree with this, sorry for thinking past a base level of understanding of the "born this way" dilemma 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 If you want to keep believing that certain harmless life styles and life choices are innately immoral and worthy of persecution and death just because they don't follow the status quo, that's your prerogative, sis Pretty sure most people agree with this, sorry for thinking past a base level of understanding of the "born this way" dilemma So what you are saying is that if i don't agree with you I agree with persecution and death. That definitely deserves some kinda Brintey weird icon. The fact you believe being gay is still a choice is weird. I get that you want people to love each other no matter the choice, but it's not a choice. Taking the word choice out of the equation makes it hard to argue that it's an invalid or immoral lifestyle. You should make a thread about it. It's definitely worth asking more opinions about it. "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 So what you are saying is that if i don't agree with you I agree with persecution and death. That definitely deserves some kinda Brintey weird icon. The fact you believe being gay is still a choice is weird. I get that you want people to love each other no matter the choice, but it's not a choice. Taking the word choice out of the equation makes it hard to argue that it's an invalid or immoral lifestyle. You should make a thread about it. It's definitely worth asking more opinions about it. Emoticons? Also you're right, I was being facetious, My apologies I actually didn't say I believe being gay is a choice though, I don't think it is a choice, but I still think the argument that "I was born this way--> ergo, I deserve rights" isn't the ultimate question we should be asking, just the most easily digestible one... It still frames things in a way as if we are helpless victims to our "immoral perversions" and breeds tolerance, not acceptance. Acceptance would be accepting us whether or not it is a choice Like, from some angles we are essentially saying "Don't hate me, because I was born this way". It works well with sayings like "Love the sinner, Hate the Sin" and other rhetoric like that which is moderately problematic At the end of the day, it is just a catchy song/slogan, but I'm slightly worried if thats really how we want things to be seen. Maybe when gay rights are more universal and equal, we can start to focus on the bigger picture (And when we take down the Patriarchy ) I'd make a thread about it, but ive honestly debated it on here a few times already and am way too lazy to poll people 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 94,644 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 30% of people still believe it's a choice............. If you see me posting like crazy, I'm either bored or procrastinating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mister 17 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I've always wondered if those who truly believe s-xual orientation is a choice are bi, and just assume everyone else ignores attraction to the same gender too, and "chooses" to be straight like them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share Posted May 22, 2015 Emoticons? Also you're right, I was being facetious, My apologies I actually didn't say I believe being gay is a choice though, I don't think it is a choice, but I still think the argument that "I was born this way--> ergo, I deserve rights" isn't the ultimate question we should be asking, just the most easily digestible one... It still frames things in a way as if we are helpless victims to our "immoral perversions" and breeds tolerance, not acceptance. Acceptance would be accepting us whether or not it is a choice Like, from some angles we are essentially saying "Don't hate me, because I was born this way". It works well with sayings like "Love the sinner, Hate the Sin" and other rhetoric like that which is moderately problematic At the end of the day, it is just a catchy song/slogan, but I'm slightly worried if thats really how we want things to be seen. Maybe when gay rights are more universal and equal, we can start to focus on the bigger picture (And when we take down the Patriarchy ) I'd make a thread about it, but ive honestly debated it on here a few times already and am way too lazy to poll people Never mind my comment about the icons. They are cute. I see your point on the sinner thing. Religion separates more than it unites. 90% of all the wars fought are religious ones. I think it's silly to be quoting a book thousands of years old. They are great stories, but they are just stories meant to scare a barbaric society into morality, thats why that book is so extreme with its punishment. Unfortunately the authors of the morality were extremely homophobic and the message of love thy neighbor like your brother is lost. I get that you want the love thy neighbor part. I do too. You are right on Born This Way is not the question we should be asking, and it is the most digestible one, but sometime's answering smaller questions will lead us to the path of the answering the bigger questions. Hopefully it's a step in the direction of just general acceptance. I personally do not like the word tolerance it leads to separation of people just through condescending attitudes. "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley 57,208 Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Glad that people are more civilized and educated now. Born This Way definitely had its impact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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