Luiz 4,253 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 http://www.dw.de/german-spy-chief-faces-calls-to-resign-following-nsa-revelations/a-18407222German politicians have expressed outrage following reports that the German Intelligence Service helped the NSA in spying in Europe. The opposition wants the organization's chief Gerhard Schindler to resign.Gerhard Schindler, the head of the German Intelligence Service (BND), faced calls to resign on Friday after a media report claimed that the spy agency passed information about European interests to US National Security Agency (NSA).Bernd Riexinger, leader of the leftist the Left party called for Schindler to be sacked and tried for treason along with others who were responsible. The German government needed to be "brutally honest about disclosing how much German intelligence agencies, devoid of any form of democratic control, acted as stooges of US spy services," Riexinger demanded in the daily Mitteldeutsche Zeitung.Green party parliamentary leader Anton Hofreiter also called on Chancellor Angela Merkel to "immediately dismiss" Schindler. Merkel would have to explain "why the German government lost control over the BND," Hofreiter said in comments to be published in Saturday's Bild newspaper.The Social Democrats (SPD) - the junior partner in Merkel's grand coalition government - also demanded a commission to investigate the case."If it is revealed that the NSA has conducted economic espionage and spying in Europe, then there must be consequences to be dealt with," SPD deputy head Thorsten Schäfer-Gümbel told reporters. Support for SchindlerHowever, Merkel's Christian Democratic Union (CDU) warned against taken any hasty steps to remove the spy chief. "The responsibility need not necessarily be with the leadership of the organization," the CDU's Patrick Sensburg told reporters, adding that the case needed to be investigated.Government spokesman Steffen Seibert refused to comment on Schindler's status, choosing instead to say that Germany desired close cooperation with US intelligence services against terrorism. In a statement released on Thursday, Merkel's office said it had "identified technical and organizational problems with the BND" and was "sending instructions on removing these."German magazine Der Spiegel reported on Thursday on the BND helping the US' National Security Agency (NSA) in spying on European targets, including German interests. According to the report, one of the targets was Airbus, Europe's leading airplanes and defense manufacturer. I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagaloo911 12,959 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 So much for the Germans getting all angry at the US, meanwhile their own government is helping the US and NSA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagamel 3,410 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 inb4 its all a scam and they fed them false info i hope angela reks them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagamel 3,410 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 So much for the Germans getting all angry at the US, meanwhile their own government is helping the US and NSA It's not their own government, it's the german equivalent of NSA or CIA or w/e Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagaloo911 12,959 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 It's not their own government, it's the german equivalent of NSA or CIA or w/e They're still apart of the government, so by extension it is the government. That's like saying the NSA or CIA isn't part of the federal government Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic 49,376 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 They're still apart of the government, so by extension it is the government. That's like saying the NSA or CIA isn't part of the federal government That's an interesting problem I have encountered when talking about this foreign people. In Germany the equivalents of the NSA or CIA are considered to NOT belong to the government. Under any circumstance. In the US however, people consider their secret agencies to be part of the government. To us, the goverment is just Merkel and her ministers, and nothing else. Arguably no head of government has any valuable influence on their countries secret agencies, because they usually don't give a damn anyway and proceed with their methods that they think are justifiable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagaloo911 12,959 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 That's an interesting problem I have encountered when talking about this foreign people. In Germany the equivalents of the NSA or CIA are considered to NOT belong to the government. Under any circumstance. In the US however, people consider their secret agencies to be part of the government.To us, the goverment is just Merkel and her ministers, and nothing else. Arguably no head of government has any valuable influence on their countries secret agencies, because they usually don't give a damn anyway and proceed with their methods that they think are justifiable.Interesting indeed. In the US they are agencies of the federal government, so therefore are the government. The NSA and CIA are as much a part of the government as the Department of Defense and Justice Department are, even though they're "secret agencies" Furthermore, wouldn't the "head" or minister of the secret agencies there be apart of the ministers for Merkel? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic 49,376 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Interesting indeed. In the US they are agencies of the federal government, so therefore are the government. The NSA and CIA are as much a part of the government as the Department of Defense and Justice Department are, even though they're "secret agencies" Furthermore, wouldn't the "head" or minister of the secret agencies there be apart of the ministers for Merkel?Well the head of the main secret agency the BND is not part of Merkel's cabinet of ministers. Affairs concerning national safety and international safety are almost always redirected to the parliament and the parliament president. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagamel 3,410 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Green party parliamentary leader Anton Hofreiter also called on Chancellor Angela Merkel to "immediately dismiss" Schindler. Merkel would have to explain "why the German government lost control over the BND," They're still apart of the government, so by extension it is the government. That's like saying the NSA or CIA isn't part of the federal government Merkel would have to explain why the german government lost control over themselves? CIA is an independent agency of the United States, while they are technically a part of the executive branch by the constitution and a "government" agency, the president can't really control them. He can replace any head of an executive agency easily but to remove a head of an independent agency he has to go to great lengths. Also as stated above when we say government we usually mean the leader and the ministers, and you said government, not federal government.better explained by @amenvodka Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagaloo911 12,959 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Well the head of the main secret agency the BND is not part of Merkel's cabinet of ministers. Affairs concerning national safety and international safety are almost always redirected to the parliament and the parliament president. Merkel would have to explain why the german government lost control over themselves? CIA is an independent agency of the United States, while they are technically a part of the executive branch by the constitution and a "government" agency, the president can't really control them. He can replace any head of an executive agency easily but to remove a head of an independent agency he has to go to great lengths.better explained by @amenvodka I see. Didn't know most of this. Both of you have enlightened me much on this, thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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